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leifandersonshair Flag Newport 28 Jul 16 12.51pm Send a Private Message to leifandersonshair Add leifandersonshair as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And right there is the problem. The dogged ideology thing.
I'm sure that some politicians start off with grand ideas and good intentions but a brief period in Westminster and they soon realise that politics is not about straight lines.

The PLP are ambitious people who want to be in government. They are not content to shout abuse from the sidelines. Those who joined the party to vote Corbyn and push their ultra left wing agenda are living in cloud cuckoo land. Just because they are pursuing their heart felt ideology doesn't make it realistic or ever likely to be accepted by the majority. They are the kind of people who can only serve as a rent as crowd, criticising everything that the government does but given the chance to govern themselves, would not have a clue about real world problems.
And of course Britain would probably just surrender to Russia or ISIS or anyone who fancied the keys to the Kingdom.

Unlike the current private school bunch, who are absolutely in line with the man on the street (who, by that logic, wants to see tax cuts for corporations and the rich, depressed wages and privatization of public services).

Anyone who is cut throat and ambitious enough to sacrifice their principles to climb to the top of the greasy pole, paradoxically, probably should be banned from public office anyway!

One thing in Corbyn's favour, he at least offers a clear alternative to the right wing New Labour bunch. There's plenty of things that go against him of course, such as perceived unelectability... Maybe he needs to show some bouncebackability!

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Jul 16 1.08pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And right there is the problem. The dogged ideology thing.
I'm sure that some politicians start off with grand ideas and good intentions but a brief period in Westminster and they soon realise that politics is not about straight lines.

The PLP are ambitious people who want to be in government. They are not content to shout abuse from the sidelines. Those who joined the party to vote Corbyn and push their ultra left wing agenda are living in cloud cuckoo land. Just because they are pursuing their heart felt ideology doesn't make it realistic or ever likely to be accepted by the majority. They are the kind of people who can only serve as a rent as crowd, criticising everything that the government does but given the chance to govern themselves, would not have a clue about real world problems.
And of course Britain would probably just surrender to Russia or ISIS or anyone who fancied the keys to the Kingdom.

There you go again with 'ultra left agenda ' What is ultra left about it?

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jul 16 2.05pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

Unlike the current private school bunch, who are absolutely in line with the man on the street (who, by that logic, wants to see tax cuts for corporations and the rich, depressed wages and privatization of public services).

Anyone who is cut throat and ambitious enough to sacrifice their principles to climb to the top of the greasy pole, paradoxically, probably should be banned from public office anyway!

One thing in Corbyn's favour, he at least offers a clear alternative to the right wing New Labour bunch. There's plenty of things that go against him of course, such as perceived unelectability... Maybe he needs to show some bouncebackability!

Oddly enough, I sympathise with you argument. The problem is that a Labour Party careering to the left is not the answer. It will not get elected.
For me, there are certain realities about the world and human beings that will not change. All those best qualified can do is work with those realities. Trying to deny them is futile.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jul 16 2.07pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

There you go again with 'ultra left agenda ' What is ultra left about it?

Ultra left is a relative term and right now Corbyn is as far left s you can get baring a Communist uprising.

And so much for his integrity voting to stay in the EU.

That good old freedom of movement has hit British wages hard.
What does the man of the people say about that?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Jul 2016 2.49pm)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Jul 16 3.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Ultra left is a relative term and right now Corbyn is as far left s you can get baring a Communist uprising.

And so much for his integrity voting to stay in the EU.

That good old freedom of movement has hit British wages hard.
What does the man of the people say about that?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Jul 2016 2.49pm)

What policies are ultra left? Name just 1 rather than your subjective ramblings.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Jul 16 3.09pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Yet another fool that tries to convince everybody that what information he gets about politics is totally unbiased and presumes that everyone else is "spoon fed" their opinions without using their own minds.

Funny how these people always have left wing views.

Bore off mate.... Bert The Head has the monopoly on the 'right wing media shaping our minds' accusation on here.

Try and come up with a new insult to our intelligence.


Where did he say it was unbiased? Just a different viewpoint.

This rubbish Canary website do seem to be uncovering quite a lot. I see novaramedia are being slurred now.

 

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davidpercival Flag Croydon 28 Jul 16 3.57pm Send a Private Message to davidpercival Add davidpercival as a friend

The research you are referring to did indeed show that British workers have suffered the biggest reduction in earning power, since the onset of the recession, for any country except Greece.
But this very fact showed that all the other countries in the EU did better. So it is not the EU that caused it but the fact that the Tories and their right wing Labour mates are the culprits - not the EU. Corbyn wanted to change the EU to protect workers whereas most Tories wanted to leave so they could take away the few workers' protections that the EU gave, such as the working Time directive, compulsory paid holidays etc.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Ultra left is a relative term and right now Corbyn is as far left s you can get baring a Communist uprising.

And so much for his integrity voting to stay in the EU.

That good old freedom of movement has hit British wages hard.
What does the man of the people say about that?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Jul 2016 2.49pm)

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Jul 16 4.19pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by davidpercival
. Corbyn wanted to change the EU to protect workers whereas most Tories wanted to leave so they could take away the few workers' protections that the EU gave, such as the working Time directive, compulsory paid holidays etc.


What a load of hogwash.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jul 16 6.34pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by davidpercival

The research you are referring to did indeed show that British workers have suffered the biggest reduction in earning power, since the onset of the recession, for any country except Greece.
But this very fact showed that all the other countries in the EU did better. So it is not the EU that caused it but the fact that the Tories and their right wing Labour mates are the culprits - not the EU. Corbyn wanted to change the EU to protect workers whereas most Tories wanted to leave so they could take away the few workers' protections that the EU gave, such as the working Time directive, compulsory paid holidays etc.


Are you sure it's not because our population rose sharply?

Corbyn had zero Chance of changing anything in the EU since he has zero chance of being PM. Changing the EU from the inside was not realistic anyway as the last 40 years has shown.

I also seriously doubt that curtailing workers rights was top of the agenda or even on the agenda for any of the vast majority of Leavers.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jul 16 6.38pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

What policies are ultra left? Name just 1 rather than your subjective ramblings.

Just one?

OK. What about unilateral disarmament.

Only someone someone who's unwashed, unemployed mum gave birth to them on a windy day at Greenham Common still clings on to that left wing fantasy.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Jul 16 6.38pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Are you sure it's not because our population rose sharply?

Corbyn had zero Chance of changing anything in the EU since he has zero chance of being PM. Changing the EU from the inside was not realistic anyway as the last 40 years has shown.

I also seriously doubt that curtailing workers rights was top of the agenda or even on the agenda for any of the vast majority of Leavers.

I totally agree and the generalisation was bizarre.

I spoke to a great number of Tory "Leavers", and indeed "Leavers" of other political persuasions and NOT ONE gave "Workers rights" etc as their reason for voting "Out". Never heard this mentioned at all.

 

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davidpercival Flag Croydon 28 Jul 16 10.43pm Send a Private Message to davidpercival Add davidpercival as a friend

It wasn't what the leave voters had in mind but you can be sure that it was and is on the mind of the Tory leadership and their big business backers when they were going on about how difficult EU regulations are. What they want to end is regulations which reduces their profits. When did the Tories ever give workers rights? They opposed the minimum wage. One of their latest tricks is that whereas there was no fees to take out an Employment Tribunal case for unfair dismissal and you could do it once you had been employed for one year, they have made it so that you have to have been employed for two years and it costs £1200 in fees alone to go to an ET. If you are not in a union you are faced with risking £1200 to get justice at a time when you have just lost your job. Typical Tory move.

Originally posted by Willo

I totally agree and the generalisation was bizarre.

I spoke to a great number of Tory "Leavers", and indeed "Leavers" of other political persuasions and NOT ONE gave "Workers rights" etc as their reason for voting "Out". Never heard this mentioned at all.

 

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