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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 31 Aug 19 9.12pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Yeah but we never made any changes to the undemocratic EU did we, they just told us what to do all the time This idea that the EU is undemocratic is just nonsense. It is simply untrue. We elect MEPs. We also control the EU civil service through the Heads of State taking the final decisions and setting policy. We cannot make changes on our own, but we can, and do, along with others, help to steer the direction.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Aug 19 9.19pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I have edited your quote to make it more accurate. Do you ever watch the budget as the first part of the Chancellor's budget speech is always to point out how and why the Office of Budget Responsibilities got it wrong last year and then to present their "guesses" for the forthcoming year which no doubt he will be apologising for in the next budget. Your so called professionals have no more idea than the rest of us. It wasn't that long ago that the Chancellor of the Exchequer stated that if the population voted in favour of Brexit the economy would immediately collapse. It also wasn't that long ago that the Governor of the Bank of England who was one of the chief portrayers of Brexit doom and gloom changed his mind to say that it may well not be that bad So you would let an amateur, lets say he is professionally a plumber, perform brain surgery on you rather than a surgeon would you? Even surgeons make mistakes and have to sometimes make educated guesses but on balance they will get things right more often than the plumber will. When the balance of opinion of the professionals is so overwhelmingly that a no deal Brexit is unwise I think it is fair to conclude that they are likely to be right. Politicians making political statements in the middle of a campaign loaded with lies isn't the same at all. Mark Carney did not "change his mind". That was just the spin of the right wing press. He updated his emphasis.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Aug 19 9.24pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
How does that jive with the delegates comment - you've lost me. It really isn't that difficult! MP's are not delegated by the constituents who voted for them to act in the way they determine. They are chosen to represent all their constituents by using their personal best judgement as what is in the best interests of the constituents as a whole and the country. If the choose to be whipped and vote along party lines then they follow convention, but it is not compulsory.
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| chris123 hove actually 31 Aug 19 9.52pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It really isn't that difficult! MP's are not delegated by the constituents who voted for them to act in the way they determine. They are chosen to represent all their constituents by using their personal best judgement as what is in the best interests of the constituents as a whole and the country. If the choose to be whipped and vote along party lines then they follow convention, but it is not compulsory. ok - because my view has been that most do not use best judgement, most vote on party lines irrespective of constituents and is why Parliament is in grid lock.
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| Midlands Eagle 01 Sep 19 7.22am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Mark Carney did not "change his mind". That was just the spin of the right wing press. He updated his emphasis. That is possibly the quote of the month and I'll have to remember it. Boris Johnson didn't tell lies he updated his emphasis
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| Midlands Eagle 01 Sep 19 7.28am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That must be close to the hundredth time that you've posted that but it doesn't make it any more true than the first time that you posted it. Most people vote along traditional party lines or else according to what is contained in the party manifesto and again most people don't actually know much about their MP at all. There is a lot written in the media about Conservatives having to be very careful that they don't let Corbyn in at the next General Election. Why would they be worried about that as according to you people don't vote along party lines or for whichever leader they think would make the best Prime Minister
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| Badger11 Beckenham 01 Sep 19 8.27am |
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Barnier is doing Johnson a big favour this morning by stating that the backstop must stay. So all those MPs who claim that they respect the result of the referendum but that we mustn't leave without a deal well your position is now illogical. Any rational person would see that if the other side wont compromise then you either accept the deal on the table or you walk away. However I expect that those MPs who are definitely not Remainers (why don't I believe them) will continue to say we must go for an extension mustn't leave with no deal. It's time the media started to challenge the position of these MPs. As for Boris the more the EU proves inflexible the more the public will back him. Meanwhile this week let's see if Corbyn calls a vote of no confidence if he doesn't then I think his ratings will sink even lower. Edited by Badger11 (01 Sep 2019 8.28am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Sep 19 8.58am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
That is possibly the quote of the month and I'll have to remember it. Boris Johnson didn't tell lies he updated his emphasis Mark Carney always tries to balance the possibilities and his recent words did no more than make an adjustment to his analysis in the light of experience. That is a world of difference between a politician making deliberately biased forecasts aka lies!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Sep 19 9.04am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
That must be close to the hundredth time that you've posted that but it doesn't make it any more true than the first time that you posted it. Most people vote along traditional party lines or else according to what is contained in the party manifesto and again most people don't actually know much about their MP at all. There is a lot written in the media about Conservatives having to be very careful that they don't let Corbyn in at the next General Election. Why would they be worried about that as according to you people don't vote along party lines or for whichever leader they think would make the best Prime Minister I realise that I keep having to repeat things because people don't seem to accept it. Just because you continue to refuse that it is true doesn't mean it isn't. It is. What you describe is convention. It is not the legal basis of the system and in times of crisis, as this clearly is, can, is and will be abandoned in the national interest. It was done in war time and is about to be done again.
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| Spiderman Horsham 01 Sep 19 11.48am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Mark Carney always tries to balance the possibilities and his recent words did no more than make an adjustment to his analysis in the light of experience. That is a world of difference between a politician making deliberately biased forecasts aka lies! Like Hammond you mean
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| elgrande bedford 01 Sep 19 3.04pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Like Hammond you mean Or osbourne.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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| JRW2 Dulwich 01 Sep 19 4.30pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Mark Carney always tries to balance the possibilities and his recent words did no more than make an adjustment to his analysis in the light of experience. That is a world of difference between a politician making deliberately biased forecasts aka lies! Oh dear. I think you should follow the old advice: "When you're in a hole, stop digging".
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