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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 31 Aug 19 9.35am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Yes it does...pigs and troughs spring to mind You vote them in! If you don't like who you choose then convince enough others and you can put whichever flavour of "pig" there that you like. Choosing our representatives is our collective responsibility and that's where any blame needs to be directed. At us!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Aug 19 9.45am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So what experience of leaving the EU would they have then. There's guesswork by amateurs. Then there's analysis by professionals, whose full time job it is to try to understand these things. I don't think anyone could argue that the overwhelming opinion of the professionals is not in favour of us leaving the EU in this way, or indeed at all. If Remain had "won" (I don't think anyone has won in this debacle) then you can be quite sure that the Farages and Rees Moggs would still be pushing. They even said so at the time. However as there would have been no need for an "Article 50" or long drawn out negotiations over the terms of exit, things would be very different
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Aug 19 9.51am |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Jeez, its like talking to porridge! Nah! I am like corn flakes! Porridge needs to be heated up to get moving, is stiff and difficult to stir. Corn flakes are crisp and bright and always ready to serve.
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| Midlands Eagle 31 Aug 19 10.26am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There's guesswork by amateurs. Then there's guesswork by professionals, whose full time job it is to try to understand these things. I have edited your quote to make it more accurate. Do you ever watch the budget as the first part of the Chancellor's budget speech is always to point out how and why the Office of Budget Responsibilities got it wrong last year and then to present their "guesses" for the forthcoming year which no doubt he will be apologising for in the next budget. Your so called professionals have no more idea than the rest of us. It wasn't that long ago that the Chancellor of the Exchequer stated that if the population voted in favour of Brexit the economy would immediately collapse. It also wasn't that long ago that the Governor of the Bank of England who was one of the chief portrayers of Brexit doom and gloom changed his mind to say that it may well not be that bad
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| chris123 hove actually 31 Aug 19 10.48am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Following the whip is Parliamentary convention. It is a tool used by Government to ensure the smooth passage of their programme and as such a way to keep business flowing in normal times. These are abnormal times and such conventions no longer apply. Someone posted words to the effect that every MP, whatever the balance of opinion in their constituency, should always decide things for themselves and weren't delegates! So I mentioned that it seemed to me that most MP's were following their party whip.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Aug 19 11.16am |
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Originally posted by chris123
Someone posted words to the effect that every MP, whatever the balance of opinion in their constituency, should always decide things for themselves and weren't delegates! So I mentioned that it seemed to me that most MP's were following their party whip. If that is their decision then so be it. The point being that they can also refuse the whip if they so decide.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 Aug 19 11.19am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As those opposing no deal are also thinking long term the difference is who is actually right. Everyone would put up with some short term pain if it was worth it in the end. I don't much care if I cannot get fresh tomatoes in January next year. I believe we would be better off remaining a member of the EU and helping to shape it's direction whilst benefiting from being a member, it's accepted common standards and position in the world. If though we are to come out then we need to ensure that we do so with the least possible pain and to do so without first organising a mutually agreed arrangement makes no sense. Playing "who blinks first" is no way to run a government. Ha!
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 31 Aug 19 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As those opposing no deal are also thinking long term the difference is who is actually right. Everyone would put up with some short term pain if it was worth it in the end. I don't much care if I cannot get fresh tomatoes in January next year. Yeah but we never made any changes to the undemocratic EU did we, they just told us what to do all the time
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| chris123 hove actually 31 Aug 19 12.17pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If that is their decision then so be it. The point being that they can also refuse the whip if they so decide. How does that jive with the delegates comment - you've lost me.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 31 Aug 19 12.21pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Yeah but we never made any changes to the undemocratic EU did we, they just told us what to do all the time Really what democratic changes could the UK have introduced to the EU? The House of Lords? I am afraid sticking their bums out in the EU parliament and wearing T-shirts with bollox written on, is an accurate picture of our standing today.
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| Midlands Eagle 31 Aug 19 12.47pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Really what democratic changes could the UK have introduced to the EU? The House of Lords? What is the difference between our political parties electing their leaders and the EU electing theirs?
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| Stirlingsays 31 Aug 19 12.58pm |
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October 31st.... Just think, a few days into November and this thread will probably stutter to an end. Maple will be outside parliament with the middle class skinheads and pink haired feminists lobbing their Molotov cocktails and all will be right with the world.....well ok, that's too much to expect....all will be slightly better. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Aug 2019 1.00pm)
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