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.TUX. 30 Aug 19 10.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course she is. She is representing everyone in her constituency, whether they agree with her or not, whether they are a majority or not. Once elected the responsibility to think ....... and take decisions ............. has been given by us to our MP. Which once again brings us back to some being too long on the nipple.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 30 Aug 19 10.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
To try to counter the effect of Farage and the promise made by Cameron of course I did. That though doesn't mean I approved of it being held. I thoroughly disapproved and was very vocal about that at the time. However it was held and it would have been foolish in the extreme to allow those who believed the garbage thrown out by the Leave campaigns to just have a walk over. of course..............
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glazedallover Allier 30 Aug 19 10.54pm | |
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Thought i would get in there before Cucking... Mr. Pie.....
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jeeagles 30 Aug 19 10.55pm | |
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This discussion was getting quite sensible and was conducted in fairly good humour for a while. Now it's gone back to a slagging match. All this shows is that people who are strongly on the remain side realised that have been massively out manoeuvred by Boris. Anyone saying its undemocratic will be immediately shut down by the argument that trying to stop the UK leaving is also undemocratic. Creating another major problem for Corbyn as its decided the campaign socialist in momentum who want to remain from Labour's northern and welsh heartland. The dilemma for Corbyn is the more he rants and raves about this, then the more he splits his core vote. Labour are really lacking any political tallent at the moment. They are showing real political naivety and now the Tories have a strong leader they will run rings around them.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Aug 19 11.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The point is to choose who you want to represent you and use their knowledge and access to information to work on your behalf. Just as you choose any expert to do a job you are not qualified to do yourself. The fact that a majority of MPs oppose a no deal Brexit ought to mean something to even the hardest Brexiteer when many know that in so doing they are risking their own future. Many many of us that voted leave are well aware that we face some tough times ahead. We voted leave for a longer timeframe than you or your treacherous politicians are thinking in.
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Matov 31 Aug 19 7.23am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Many many of us that voted leave are well aware that we face some tough times ahead. We voted leave for a longer timeframe than you or your treacherous politicians are thinking in.
And we all know how those predictions went. To be honest, the real mistake that our political class, from all sides of the debate made in the main was assuming that the tradtional 'its the economy stupid' mantra would play out with regards to the vote on June 23rd. In their defence, it is usually the correct stance to take but this leave or remain issue is far more about identity than anybody realised. Camerons huge mistake, and again you can understand the rationale behind it, was that the Project Fear tactic used in Scotland would translate into England. Willing to put my hands up and concede that I never realised how many people took that 'European citizenship' nonsense seriously given it always felt ludicrous to me but perhaps that is the problem now. We might all see a bunch of w***ers dancing in the road and generally being utter c***s but for them that has become a huge part of how they define themselves and we have, or desperately want, to take that away from them. This all goes beyond pounds, shilling and pence. And it always did, with the emotions driving both sides coming from a lot deeper, and perhaps darker, part of us all that we struggle to be honest about. Also why we are at such a dangerous crossroads in our history. When such core issues as how we define ourselves are at stake then it can unleash collective demons that serve none of us well.
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cryrst The garden of England 31 Aug 19 7.26am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Then that MP would have made their decision prior to being elected by saying they would do something. The point is that they have the decision and not you. They can, like everyone else, also change their mind in the light of events, greater knowledge or experience. So what experience of leaving the EU would they have then.
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Spiderman Horsham 31 Aug 19 8.27am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The point is to choose who you want to represent you and use their knowledge and access to information to work on your behalf. Just as you choose any expert to do a job you are not qualified to do yourself. The fact that a majority of MPs oppose a no deal Brexit ought to mean something to even the hardest Brexiteer when many know that in so doing they are risking their own future. Yes it does...pigs and troughs spring to mind
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 Aug 19 8.49am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
And we all know how those predictions went. To be honest, the real mistake that our political class, from all sides of the debate made in the main was assuming that the tradtional 'its the economy stupid' mantra would play out with regards to the vote on June 23rd. In their defence, it is usually the correct stance to take but this leave or remain issue is far more about identity than anybody realised. Camerons huge mistake, and again you can understand the rationale behind it, was that the Project Fear tactic used in Scotland would translate into England. Willing to put my hands up and concede that I never realised how many people took that 'European citizenship' nonsense seriously given it always felt ludicrous to me but perhaps that is the problem now. We might all see a bunch of w***ers dancing in the road and generally being utter c***s but for them that has become a huge part of how they define themselves and we have, or desperately want, to take that away from them. This all goes beyond pounds, shilling and pence. And it always did, with the emotions driving both sides coming from a lot deeper, and perhaps darker, part of us all that we struggle to be honest about. Also why we are at such a dangerous crossroads in our history. When such core issues as how we define ourselves are at stake then it can unleash collective demons that serve none of us well. Yep, I’ll never understand these freaks. You’ll also have people screaming and worrying about ‘their future’ when they have no concerns whatsoever. I spoke to one person this week. I said I was for leave, but let it slip in that remaining probably wouldn’t affect me, he said leaving wouldn’t affect him. The wally then said he’s really worried about his and his very young son’s future. Jesus Christ these scaremongering freaks really do get to them. And it was his for his son’s benefit I voted leave. If his son was about to enter the job market I would be concerned in the short term, (although being in the EU they want freedom of movement which will mean imported improved competition in job seekers. Or do they?), but not a boy in school shorts. I explained I want to see a change of direction and a forcing of it on politicians and I expect some tough times ahead. He asked if I thought it was worth that. Well hell yeah, the country doesn’t end in a a few years. Sometimes I wish it would though. Let a few spineless cvnts fvck off so we can start again. They wouldn’t though. Spineless. What I want to know is how Paul Mason has changed from being pro leave but not led by the tories, to protesting Boris closing parliament for a few days, and that’s because his beloved Labour Party are doing anything they can to stop Brexit against the wishes of the many Labour voters, and the only way to make some progress is what Boris is doing. Or hasn’t he changed at all and he’s just been swept into this hysteria too, when all we’re doing is going to the default option because they thought they’d succeed in stopping it happen.
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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 31 Aug 19 9.20am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The point is to choose who you want to represent you and use their knowledge and access to information to work on your behalf. Just as you choose any expert to do a job you are not qualified to do yourself. The fact that a majority of MPs oppose a no deal Brexit ought to mean something to even the hardest Brexiteer when many know that in so doing they are risking their own future. Jeez, its like talking to porridge!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Aug 19 9.22am | |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
This discussion was getting quite sensible and was conducted in fairly good humour for a while. Whilst many taking part don't actually understand how British parliamentary democracy actually works or the relationship between the Executive and their masters in Parliament this discussion ought not be described as sensible. Now it's gone back to a slagging match. All this shows is that people who are strongly on the remain side realised that have been massively out manoeuvred by Boris. Those opposing what Johnson is trying to do are doing so because of his seeking to thwart the will of Parliament in their desire to avoid a no deal Brexit. It has nothing to say about whether we remain or leave.
As it isn't trying to stop the UK leaving that is bs. It is only trying to stop us leaving without a deal. Creating another major problem for Corbyn as its decided the campaign socialist in momentum who want to remain from Labour's northern and welsh heartland. The dilemma for Corbyn is the more he rants and raves about this, then the more he splits his core vote. Labour are really lacking any political tallent at the moment. They are showing real political naivety and now the Tories have a strong leader they will run rings around them. That Corbyn is a disaster of a politician is true but with sufficient determination Parliament ought to be able to find the way to work around him.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Aug 19 9.32am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Many many of us that voted leave are well aware that we face some tough times ahead. We voted leave for a longer timeframe than you or your treacherous politicians are thinking in.
As those opposing no deal are also thinking long term the difference is who is actually right. Everyone would put up with some short term pain if it was worth it in the end. I don't much care if I cannot get fresh tomatoes in January next year. I believe we would be better off remaining a member of the EU and helping to shape it's direction whilst benefiting from being a member, it's accepted common standards and position in the world. If though we are to come out then we need to ensure that we do so with the least possible pain and to do so without first organising a mutually agreed arrangement makes no sense. Playing "who blinks first" is no way to run a government.
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