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 HKOwen  Hong Kong 18 Apr 24 12.26pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I am pretty sure I have read all the posts on here but I have seen none that are either anti semitic or pro Hamas. Please direct me to one if you think otherwise. And I don't mean posts of the type described by one of our number as "Hamas apologist" etc. That is a posters view on what they thought another poster might think; and that view was pretty much always firmly refuted and rubbish. And no beliefs that it is "obvious" they thought that or other such rot. I mean an unequivocal statement supporting the liquidation of Israel, the persecution of jews, overt support for Hamas (NOT Palestinians) etc. You disagree with this Israel government on some things. We disagree with them on this. You feel they are entitled to smash Gaza to dust to the point that Hamas is fully vanquished and can offer no threat ever again to Israel. We feel the cost in human life is too great to achieve that. Simple. No hatred of Jews/Israel or love of terrorism. Your comment is part of the chilling effect of shouting down anyone who expresses a view that is inconsistent with current Israel conduct as prejudicial against Jews or in favour of Palestinians. It is simply wrong. Highlighted in bold is supportive of the existence of Hamas which QED supports the destruction of the state of Israel as in Hamas' " mission statement "
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EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 18 Apr 24 12.30pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
In my opinion anyone who is not prepared to unequivocally condemn the terrorist organisation Hamas is a supporter. Often semantics and phrases such as " it's complicated " are used to wriggle out of being straight forward. Anti semitism and jew hate are the same thing but one is more hurty words than the other and gets more of a reaction which is curious. When the IDF becomes a proscribed organisation then it can be viewed quite differently than the present time. The only Islamic country interested in putting money into Gaza is Iran, the main concern of the other neighbouring countries is to ensure they don't have to accept any Palestinians in their country. The exception is Oman which allows the very rich leaders of Hamas to live there. Going forward I shall highlight any posts I see which IMHO are pro Hamas or anti semitic/jew hating. Who has refused to condemn Hamas on this thread? Point to some examples. Because you’ve told me many times that I support them, despite me condemning them multiple times, so you don’t even appear to be adhering to your own bulls*** definition.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 18 Apr 24 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Highlighted in bold is supportive of the existence of Hamas which QED supports the destruction of the state of Israel as in Hamas' " mission statement " LOL
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 18 Apr 24 12.51pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
LOL You can google QED then you will understand.The post implies that the full vanquishing of Hamas is an undesirable objective. I wish the destruction would stop in Gaza, this would happen if Hamas surrender and the surviving hostages are returned Would you support the surrender of Hamas as a way to end the destruction? It's a simple yes or no question.
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| silvertop Portishead 18 Apr 24 12.52pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
In my opinion anyone who is not prepared to unequivocally condemn the terrorist organisation Hamas is a supporter. Often semantics and phrases such as " it's complicated " are used to wriggle out of being straight forward. Anti semitism and jew hate are the same thing but one is more hurty words than the other and gets more of a reaction which is curious. When the IDF becomes a proscribed organisation then it can be viewed quite differently than the present time. The only Islamic country interested in putting money into Gaza is Iran, the main concern of the other neighbouring countries is to ensure they don't have to accept any Palestinians in their country. The exception is Oman which allows the very rich leaders of Hamas to live there. Going forward I shall highlight any posts I see which IMHO are pro Hamas or anti semitic/jew hating. Of course they are. As are wet and damp, big and large etc. What point are you making? What part of my post did you find difficult? The core is sympathy for Palestinian non-combatants. Your position that you either support the current Israel policy or you are a Jew-hater is ludicrous. The second point highlighted includes the letter "H"!
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| silvertop Portishead 18 Apr 24 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Highlighted in bold is supportive of the existence of Hamas which QED supports the destruction of the state of Israel as in Hamas' " mission statement " I'm sorry, are you saying that mere mention of Hamas (as you have done) means I support the destruction of Israel?
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 18 Apr 24 1.01pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Edited by HKOwen (18 Apr 2024 1.03pm)
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 18 Apr 24 1.03pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I'm sorry, are you saying that mere mention of Hamas (as you have done) means I support the destruction of Israel? No I am not, I am saying if you don't support the " full vanquishing " of Hamas then you support Hamas and their aims. Or are you suggesting we all try for a Hamas Lite of some kind who don't aim for the destruction of Israel.? Maybe some kind of demilitarised Hamas who just steal all the aid money but don't attack Israel One can't be ambivalent about Hamas, you may feel you can, good luck to you Edited by HKOwen (18 Apr 2024 1.04pm)
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 georgenorman 18 Apr 24 1.33pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
No I am not, I am saying if you don't support the " full vanquishing " of Hamas then you support Hamas and their aims. Or are you suggesting we all try for a Hamas Lite of some kind who don't aim for the destruction of Israel.? Maybe some kind of demilitarised Hamas who just steal all the aid money but don't attack Israel One can't be ambivalent about Hamas, you may feel you can, good luck to you Edited by HKOwen (18 Apr 2024 1.04pm) Jeremy Corbyn could advise on that sort of thing.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 18 Apr 24 2.00pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Jeremy Corbyn could advise on that sort of thing. The Corbynista type of socialist are simply disposed to anti semitisim, it goes back decades. The proven liar Burgon plays the Palestine card to ingratiate himself with those that like that kind of thing. He is one of the worst examples. It will be interesting to see how the Socialist Campaign Group members behave in the lead up to the general election and in the post election first few weeks, can't see Starmer doing any pandering to the left after he has a big majority.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Apr 24 5.18pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
No I am not, I am saying if you don't support the " full vanquishing " of Hamas then you support Hamas and their aims. Or are you suggesting we all try for a Hamas Lite of some kind who don't aim for the destruction of Israel.? Maybe some kind of demilitarised Hamas who just steal all the aid money but don't attack Israel One can't be ambivalent about Hamas, you may feel you can, good luck to you Edited by HKOwen (18 Apr 2024 1.04pm) I have been a member here for many years and during that time have read many seriously weird ideas. I cannot though recall one that is quite as weird as that highlighted above. Wanting to see Hamas defeated and removed as the authority in Gaza is, so far as I am aware, the aim of everyone writing here. I have read not one word of support for Hamas. Only sympathy for the innocents caught up in the situation their action precipitated. Thinking that just because someone does not express themselves in an identical way must mean they support Hamas is what is weird. Indeed it’s beyond weird. It suggests a mindset of “my way or the highway”. Something that is far too prevalent in the religious self righteousness that lies at the base of all these problems. Something that itself needs to be “vanquished” before progress can be achieved.
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| georgenorman 18 Apr 24 5.33pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have been a member here for many years and during that time have read many seriously weird ideas. I cannot though recall one that is quite as weird as that highlighted above. Wanting to see Hamas defeated and removed as the authority in Gaza is, so far as I am aware, the aim of everyone writing here. I have read not one word of support for Hamas. Only sympathy for the innocents caught up in the situation their action precipitated. Thinking that just because someone does not express themselves in an identical way must mean they support Hamas is what is weird. Indeed it’s beyond weird. It suggests a mindset of “my way or the highway”. Something that is far too prevalent in the religious self righteousness that lies at the base of all these problems. Something that itself needs to be “vanquished” before progress can be achieved. Great, we all agree that we want Israel to win then.
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