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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 22 May 17 1.38pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That's It?
The employment rate is as close to full as it ever gets
so there must be some inflation. That in itself will surely lead to a demand for wage increases and or more borrowing.
Wages have been suppressed by a continuous flow of new available labour from abroad but if banks are able and prepared to lend more money, surely that will lead to price rises.
Providers of goods and services now set prices by what people are prepared or able to pay rather than percentage of profit. There must be a knock on.

I'd like someone who claims to 'know' about this stuff to tell me in detail why I'm wrong, ideally without jargon.
I'm off to my gym for an hour so don't expect a quick reply.

Unemployment is just the number of people claiming JSA, it's not an accurate indicator of spare capacity in the economy.

QE is effectively printing money but it's been done in such a way whereby it is targeted and doesn't impact on prices in the wider economy, especially as it hasn't actually targeted anything remotely to do with productivity.

The suggestion isn't merely to increase the money supply, it's to issue new bonds to the private market and for the proceeds to be used to fund infrastructure. Commercial Banks do this all the time. In 2008 they had overstretched and created too much debt which wasn't backed up by reserves. This isn't an issue for a government with a central bank. New money will only be created to purchase the bonds which aren't taken up on the bond markets.

There is enough capacity in the UK economy for such infrastructure investment to occur without it being at the expense of something else.

If you just flooded the economy with newly created money that would just cause inflation.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 22 May 17 1.39pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Kermy don't you have an 'irony' Geiger counter that starts going crazy when you type out stuff like this?

er..I would if I knew where the irony was in my post.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 22 May 17 1.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well they did have a cosy relationship with Ulster Unionists in Parliment, who also didn't condemn loyalist terrorism. I see little difference between Paisley and Adams, truth told.

The DUP's relationship with the UDA, UVF and UFF is pretty much the same as Sinn Fein and the IRA.

I'd rather no one was dead but rather a dead IRA man than a dead loyalist. I don't support vigilantism but the enemy of my enemy is my friend....at least temporarily. This has been true in all conflicts.

I am 100 percent opposed to your belief that there is an equivalency between the IRA and its unionist counterparts.

It's one of the identifying aspects of the far left that I can never accept.

There was no loyalist campaign to murder British soldiers. I'm pro the British state...while recognising that it...like all human entities...makes mistakes....This does not mean however that I'm willing to make the equivalencies that some believe in.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 22 May 17 1.48pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

er..I would if I knew where the irony was in my post.

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 22 May 17 1.54pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Lyons550

Crazy Politicians listening to concerns and refining accordingly...whatever next!


Listening to their friends at the Daily Mail and The Sun. Not to normal people. If they believed in the policy they announced they would have had the conviction to see it through. It's becoming clear it wasn't properly thought out.

Their manifesto is a pretty poor effort. Nothing costed. Policies akin to cutting off your right leg to try and reattach it, mangled and ill-shaped, where your left arm used to be, which they decided to cut off in the previous parliament. Again though, cuts and pain being delivered to young kids and sick pensioners, rather than bankers and city traders.

I'm all for inheritance tax, but this policy isn't the way to make things fairer. It's just a way of disincentivising people from seeking care when they need it.

 

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 22 May 17 1.56pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Lyons550


Surely they're just seeing what works and what doesnt...god forbid politicians 'listening' and then reacting rather than forcing stuff through like they used to...

Surely the point is that they should be capable of making "tough" decisions and seeing them through rather than making U-turns every time the papers start throwing a hissy fit. Strong and stable.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 May 17 1.56pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Lyons550


Surely they're just seeing what works and what doesnt...god forbid politicians 'listening' and then reacting rather than forcing stuff through like they used to...

Exactly. Thought this might happen. It's actually not a bad tactic when it's a cost to individuals. Could cost you this much but now we've changed it to this much.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 22 May 17 2.02pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'd rather no one was dead but rather a dead IRA man than a dead loyalist. I don't support vigilantism but the enemy of my enemy is my friend....at least temporarily. This has been true in all conflicts.

I am 100 percent opposed to your belief that there is an equivalency between the IRA and its unionist counterparts.

It's one of the identifying aspects of the far left that I can never accept.

There was no loyalist campaign to murder British soldiers. I'm pro the British state...while recognising that it...like all human entities...makes mistakes....This does not mean however that I'm willing to make the equivalencies that some believe in.

That could make you appear to some to be a sympathiser of terrorists like a certain MR Corbyn is being accused of.

"The UVF has killed more people than any other loyalist paramilitary group. Malcolm Sutton's Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland, part of the Conflict Archive on the Internet (CAIN), states that the UVF and RHC was responsible for at least 485 killings during the Troubles, and lists a further 256 loyalist killings that have not yet been attributed to a particular group.

Of those killed by the UVF and RHC:

414 (~85%) were civilians, 11 of whom were civilian political activists
21 (~4%) were members or former members of republican paramilitary groups
44 (~9%) were members or former members of loyalist paramilitary groups
6 (~1%) were members of the British security forces"

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 22 May 17 2.05pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


Listening to their friends at the Daily Mail and The Sun. Not to normal people. If they believed in the policy they announced they would have had the conviction to see it through. It's becoming clear it wasn't properly thought out.

Their manifesto is a pretty poor effort. Nothing costed. Policies akin to cutting off your right leg to try and reattach it, mangled and ill-shaped, where your left arm used to be, which they decided to cut off in the previous parliament. Again though, cuts and pain being delivered to young kids and sick pensioners, rather than bankers and city traders.

I'm all for inheritance tax, but this policy isn't the way to make things fairer. It's just a way of disincentivising people from seeking care when they need it.


They are seeing it through though arent they? Just tweaked it a little...

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 22 May 17 2.07pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Exactly. Thought this might happen. It's actually not a bad tactic when it's a cost to individuals. Could cost you this much but now we've changed it to this much.

And there you have it, it's tory economic policy.

And now we are going to cap it and we don't know that either so mind your own business.

 

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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 22 May 17 2.08pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Surely the point is that they should be capable of making "tough" decisions and seeing them through rather than making U-turns every time the papers start throwing a hissy fit. Strong and stable.

The problem is by listening and tailoring policies based on public feedback..afterall what a demonstrations for(?)..it reduces the anti / protest elements basis for argument.

So I can see why you are trying to flower it up as anything other than listening to what people have been complaining about.

Would be nice if they did it for the other 5 years they were in power for though...but I guess you have to start somewhere.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 22 May 17 2.15pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

er..I would if I knew where the irony was in my post.

Are you still voting for Tim and la la fairies, Michael?

What did you think of his refusal to answer whether he thought abortion was wrong?

 


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