Changed his mind? He spent 30 years opposing every single leader. The quotes are easiy enough to find. Suddenly you are betraying the Labour Party if you now vote against the leader.

And yes the word missing was more.

Labour isn't "a grassroots, member lead party", it is, purported to be, the opposition party to the government.

It's deselection, however you want to justify it. Your last comment actually nails it, blackmail.

Optimistic as ever

Hey Stuk, maybe you are misunderstanding the history of the Labour Party. Pick up a book about social history and judge for yourself rather than letting some dodgy journalist spoon feed his views to you. Deselection is not blackmail its just members who select Labour candidates selecting Labour candidates who support their views. That is how the Labour Party works.

Don't suffer from "mislead by the MSM" syndrome. Try another information source, maybe one that isn't owned by very rich people who don't like the country enough even admit they live here (well to the tax man anyway) Here is a suggestion, if you have an inquiring mind set it free:

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As for Owen Smith's policies.....

I think people, even MPs, should vote for what they believe to be right. I was disappointed to see Corbyn voting for the EU given his history of opposition to it. I think he voted for what the party wanted in order to compromise and show solidarity to the party. That worked out well for him.

Whilst ideal in theory, its unpractical and unworkable in reality. I think it was a stupid idea to begin with...

Yes, because effectively the PLP is tearing the party apart because it didn't get its own way - even though their own selection process and membership chose him. When taking the shadow cabinet, its not like he didn't include different factions of the Labour Party and try to allow for compromise, even offering free votes. The response of the PLP has been that its been determined ever since his election to replace him, because its agenda conflicts with what the party membership.

I quite agree, people who are hostile to the concept of democractic processes, especially their own, shouldn't be standing as democratic MPs.

F**k the Labour Elite. I've become increasingly less impressive with Corbyn, but the PLP and the New Labour elites actions have been entirely about their own agenda and objectives.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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And right there is the problem. The dogged ideology thing.
I'm sure that some politicians start off with grand ideas and good intentions but a brief period in Westminster and they soon realise that politics is not about straight lines.

The PLP are ambitious people who want to be in government. They are not content to shout abuse from the sidelines. Those who joined the party to vote Corbyn and push their ultra left wing agenda are living in cloud cuckoo land. Just because they are pursuing their heart felt ideology doesn't make it realistic or ever likely to be accepted by the majority. They are the kind of people who can only serve as a rent as crowd, criticising everything that the government does but given the chance to govern themselves, would not have a clue about real world problems.
And of course Britain would probably just surrender to Russia or ISIS or anyone who fancied the keys to the Kingdom.