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 ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Dec 23 11.26am |
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Originally posted by Willo
The VAR will only check the attacking possession phase that led to a penalty or goal. The starting point is limited to the immediate phase. The VAR may not go back to when the attacking team gained possession. I think they just do what they like when they feel like it. The whole system is complete and utter bollocks.
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taylors lovechild  11 Dec 23 11.40am |
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VAR took a penalty away, but gave us one that was missed, so in a way it balanced itself out. My bigger concern is that once again the referee has seemingly been inconsistent with his bookings. When Liverpool were stopping our breaks with tactical fouls none of them got booked. He couldn't get his yellow cards out fast enough for any Palace player making an infringement. For a game that wasn't dirty in the slightest the stats speak for themselves: 17 fouls each It's hard not to feel that intended or not that the ref favoured Liverpool in his decisions to book players.
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Putitout  Oxford 11 Dec 23 11.41am |
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The Hugh’s thing is another example for me of the utter confusion that changes to not just the established rules but the the way a referee is expected to interpret them , even to the point, whether a clear trip ,,was a big enough trip. Oh, that was soft we hear constantly. A trip is a trip for christs sake ,ever tried it, just a little dink ,you’re over. The point is the ref let Hugh’s challenge go because he would have let it go on the half way line, with his let the game flow instructions, we see it every week now, it wasn’t a trip by the way. But oh dear , it led straight to a clear pen. Was there a clear and obvious foul not according to the ref let the game flow it seems until it results in Liverpool giving away a pen..the point is if Hugh’s took the ball on the halfway line and two uninterrupted passes later pen , where does loose interpretation become open to sanction? Edited by Putitout (11 Dec 2023 11.49am)
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| rikz Croydon 11 Dec 23 11.53am |
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Originally posted by Putitout
The Hugh’s thing is another example for me of the utter confusion that changes to not just the established rules but the the way a referee is expected to interpret them , even to the point, whether a clear trip ,,was a big enough trip. Oh, that was soft we hear constantly. A trip is a trip for christs sake ,ever tried it, just a little dink ,you’re over. The point is the ref let Hugh’s challenge go because he would have let it go on the half way line, with his let the game flow instructions, we see it every week now, it wasn’t a trip by the way. But oh dear , it led straight to a clear pen. Was there a clear and obvious foul not according to the ref let the game flow it seems until it results in Liverpool giving away a pen..the point is if Hugh’s took the ball on the halfway line and two uninterrupted passes later pen , where does loose interpretation become open to sanction? Edited by Putitout (11 Dec 2023 11.49am) The Hughes foul, shows the clear and obvious Is just bulls***, if it was that clear and obvious, then why did it take the ref 6 minutes to decide it was a foul.
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| Putitout Oxford 11 Dec 23 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by rikz
The Hughes foul, shows the clear and obvious Is just bulls***, if it was that clear and obvious, then why did it take the ref 6 minutes to decide it was a foul. Agreed , just the , “clear and obvious,” tag is nothing more than a play on words , to allow for more and more confusion . If it’s not clear and obvious on every part of the pitch,. Why apply the phrase? And as you say it was so obvious ,they were never sure of what they were looking at.
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| Spiderman Horsham 11 Dec 23 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by rikz
The Hughes foul, shows the clear and obvious Is just bulls***, if it was that clear and obvious, then why did it take the ref 6 minutes to decide it was a foul. And watching it 41 times! Not even in Willos book can that be clear and obvious
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Dec 23 12.15pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
And watching it 41 times! Not even in Willos book can that be clear and obvious Don't worry. Dermot Gallagher said it was fine so we're all good now. Thanks for setting us straight Dermot - you really know your stuff. You're not just a controversialist troll lackey for Sky as some describe you as.
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| rikz Croydon 11 Dec 23 12.19pm |
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Originally posted by Putitout
Agreed , just the , “clear and obvious,” tag is nothing more than a play on words , to allow for more and more confusion . If it’s not clear and obvious on every part of the pitch,. Why apply the phrase? And as you say it was so obvious ,they were never sure of what they were looking at. We're a couple of years away from the on field ref being an assistant and var having the final say.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 23 12.21pm |
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Originally posted by Putitout
Agreed , just the , “clear and obvious,” tag is nothing more than a play on words , to allow for more and more confusion . If it’s not clear and obvious on every part of the pitch,. Why apply the phrase? And as you say it was so obvious ,they were never sure of what they were looking at. "Clear and Obvious" with high "Bar" etc has caused much debate due to subjectivity, interpretation etc etc. I suppose one could make a case for disposing with this altogether and the VAR makes a judgement based on whether he/she believes it it a foul or not and recommends that the referee consults the monitor.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 23 12.28pm |
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Originally posted by rikz
I have asserted as much on HOL. The VAR will make all the decisions and the referee on the field of play will simply carry out the instructions "Issue a yellow card", "Foul" etc etc. I suspect that such a change will be outside the timescale you have mentioned.
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| Elpis In a pub 11 Dec 23 12.37pm |
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And a few more fans across the country will today decide they are not going to pay sixty quid for a ticket to watch the s***e the PL are serving up.
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| Putitout Oxford 11 Dec 23 12.45pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
"Clear and Obvious" with high "Bar" etc has caused much debate due to subjectivity, interpretation etc etc. I suppose one could make a case for disposing with this altogether and the VAR makes a judgement based on whether he/she believes it it a foul or not and recommends that the referee consults the monitor. I can’t help feeling , the problem may well be these decisions are made subject to subjectivity. That implies the decision does not have to be fair ,or even impartial.
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