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PatrickA Flag London 04 Dec 23 7.50pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Whoever the next manager is will hopefully be on board with the recruitment policies, even if not reponsible for them.

It’s approaching a year since Ahamada joined the first team set up.
He’s possibly further away from the first team now than when he joined, even in the absence of Eze, Schlupp and Doucoure.
I’m sure I wasn’t the only one yesterday who suspected it would be Jairo rather than Ahamada who came on for Hughes.

Franca was extensively scouted for around a year with Freedman visiting Brazil to track him to try and secure his eventual signature.
As he cost between £17 - £24 million (depending upon which report you read) it seems reasonable to assume he was bought for the first team.
We’re not a Chelsea who can afford to spend this type of sum and loan the player out to an obscure Belgian club.

I can’t claim to know if either are good enough - I’ve barely seen them!

In general terms Roy has been proved right when he has chosen not to select players…..and yet there’s a part of me that wonders if Roy’s obsession with trusted systems, players and organisations trumps all so it means that the continued non - involvement of Ahamada and Franca is likely.
Would a new manager give them more opportunity?

It’s illustrative that when Roy left last time round he has acknowledged that new young players were being brought in that summer and it was felt by both him and the club that it was the right time for a new face to take the club forward.
The worst case scenario I suppose is that neither Franca nor Ahamada do make an impact and that’s circa £30 million down the drain.
I know it’s early days but it’s clear that Roy doesn’t trust them preferring out of form players, journeymen squad players and even out of position players.
Whose judgement do you back , Freedman’s or Hodgson’s?

Now that’s a debating point.

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 04 Dec 23 8.41pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Whoever the next manager is will hopefully be on board with the recruitment policies, even if not reponsible for them.

It’s approaching a year since Ahamada joined the first team set up.
He’s possibly further away from the first team now than when he joined, even in the absence of Eze, Schlupp and Doucoure.
I’m sure I wasn’t the only one yesterday who suspected it would be Jairo rather than Ahamada who came on for Hughes.

Franca was extensively scouted for around a year with Freedman visiting Brazil to track him to try and secure his eventual signature.
As he cost between £17 - £24 million (depending upon which report you read) it seems reasonable to assume he was bought for the first team.
We’re not a Chelsea who can afford to spend this type of sum and loan the player out to an obscure Belgian club.

I can’t claim to know if either are good enough - I’ve barely seen them!

In general terms Roy has been proved right when he has chosen not to select players…..and yet there’s a part of me that wonders if Roy’s obsession with trusted systems, players and organisations trumps all so it means that the continued non - involvement of Ahamada and Franca is likely.
Would a new manager give them more opportunity?

It’s illustrative that when Roy left last time round he has acknowledged that new young players were being brought in that summer and it was felt by both him and the club that it was the right time for a new face to take the club forward.
The worst case scenario I suppose is that neither Franca nor Ahamada do make an impact and that’s circa £30 million down the drain.
I know it’s early days but it’s clear that Roy doesn’t trust them preferring out of form players, journeymen squad players and even out of position players.
Whose judgement do you back , Freedman’s or Hodgson’s?

Now that’s a debating point.

None of us can claim to have answers to Palaces problems, and you don’t at any point in your post suggest otherwise.
But I think it’s all too easy to see why Hodgson finds himself having to pull out all sorts of stops to keep us in this league.
When he left us ,he had been starved of recruitment to move us forward ,for at least three years, he didn’t creat it he just dealt the its consequences . It was pigs ear ,against silk purses, and his pigs ear showed more resilience than quite a number of silk purses , with their stitching falling apart on not always wet days.
Let’s face it. The team received a fantastic quality rebuild, for Patrick, but you can never stand still, that’s long been a fact of football life. But in effect we did, and Patrick actually had some excuse, because whist losing Gallagher and some other squad players only Decoure, was ready to use.
So Roy comes back , and gets a bit of a tune out of the team ,usually at full strength including Wilf in some games. In reality without increasing the size of the usable squad we were going to not just tread water, the fact is that the squad got smaller including the loss of Wilf, we’re going backwards again, and that’s what has happened over the last three windows.
I watch a lot of the young sides and not one would I throw head and shoulders into this particular situation, they will all need much more comfortable conditions or else the chances are we will break a lot more than are made. Franca, and Ahamada, have had a number of run outs with the under twenty ones they look like slightly above average for their age , no more . I leave it to others to count the cost in bringing them in. And believe me if either of these two want to get in the first team with every one’s confidence behind them then it has to show in competition with the first team training squad on the training pitches. Roy knows players strengths, young or old that’s why we have any success right now. Hodgson made the point for the umpteenth time at the weekend, he needs at least a couple more seasoned performers, he shouldn’t have keep saying it, as it’s been staring us in the face for some time..

 

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taylors lovechild Flag 12 Dec 23 12.45pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

[Link] If he wants the job then I think Palace have to try and get him before someone else does, even if it meant nudging Roy off the bench. He totally transformed Wolves last season and would be a major coup. I still struggle to believe it's true, but who knows.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Dec 23 12.55pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

[Link] If he wants the job then I think Palace have to try and get him before someone else does, even if it meant nudging Roy off the bench. He totally transformed Wolves last season and would be a major coup. I still struggle to believe it's true, but who knows.

When Lopetegui took over at Wolves after they had played 15 PL games, the club were bottom of the table.
Wolves finished the season in 13th place.

I have seen Lopetegui at Selhurst Park this season.
Lopetegui wants to return to the PL, amongst the clubs he has managed are Porto, Real Madrid and Sevilla and he has also managed Spain. A vastly experienced manager.

Edited by Willo (12 Dec 2023 1.09pm)

 

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Uphill Flag Bedford 12 Dec 23 12.56pm Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

Originally posted by boilerboy

Will Still looks an immense manager. Not sure he’d come to us as I’m sure he’s hot property but I’d be offering this guy a wage he can’t refuse. He’s proved able to turn a team around using the existing players.

If not him then it must be someone, famous or unknown, who can better use our existing squad and bring on the youngsters, something that Roy Hodgson can't or won't do.

 

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 12 Dec 23 2.07pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Whoever the next manager is will hopefully be on board with the recruitment policies, even if not reponsible for them.

It’s approaching a year since Ahamada joined the first team set up.
He’s possibly further away from the first team now than when he joined, even in the absence of Eze, Schlupp and Doucoure.
I’m sure I wasn’t the only one yesterday who suspected it would be Jairo rather than Ahamada who came on for Hughes.

Franca was extensively scouted for around a year with Freedman visiting Brazil to track him to try and secure his eventual signature.
As he cost between £17 - £24 million (depending upon which report you read) it seems reasonable to assume he was bought for the first team.
We’re not a Chelsea who can afford to spend this type of sum and loan the player out to an obscure Belgian club.

I can’t claim to know if either are good enough - I’ve barely seen them!

In general terms Roy has been proved right when he has chosen not to select players…..and yet there’s a part of me that wonders if Roy’s obsession with trusted systems, players and organisations trumps all so it means that the continued non - involvement of Ahamada and Franca is likely.
Would a new manager give them more opportunity?

It’s illustrative that when Roy left last time round he has acknowledged that new young players were being brought in that summer and it was felt by both him and the club that it was the right time for a new face to take the club forward.
The worst case scenario I suppose is that neither Franca nor Ahamada do make an impact and that’s circa £30 million down the drain.
I know it’s early days but it’s clear that Roy doesn’t trust them preferring out of form players, journeymen squad players and even out of position players.
Whose judgement do you back , Freedman’s or Hodgson’s?

Now that’s a debating point.

I'm struggling to trust Freedman and Parish. IMO the current issues are 90% down the the lack or depth and competition in the squad.

The Franca fiasco is proof of the lack of scouting, planning and joined up thinking from the top. In which we attempt to replace a club legend with a kid who's played combined 11 full matches in a poor league. It really is laughable.

And if the intention wasn't to throw him straight in, why the hell isn't he on loan, instead of sitting on the bench not getting a sniff.

Ahamada seams closer to first team action, but there was more competition in that role.

The Franca issue is that he is just so raw. With virtually no professional experience, its insane to think that he was going to fill Wilfs boots.

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 12 Dec 23 2.17pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Lopetegui, , is almost certainly a good manager, not a frigging magician.
But what he took over at Wolves was an under performing, but deep squad full of real talents . Why under performing ,who knows? But yes he sorted them out.
He would get seven or eight real talents here, a deep squad no way, not under performing just unable to cope with the sheer lack of depth in the squad, causing a really noticeable decline in quality when the very best eleven are not available which is most weeks.
He left Wolves almost certainly because he wasn’t going to get improvement in resources. Well that’s f—-ed it then , because he will be lucky to get an improvement just to draw him in , and if he didn’t , the odds of not going down would only depend on his luck, as only our best eleven playing almost every game from here on in could make that a near certainty. This applies who ever had the balls to take it on.

 

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Painter Flag Croydon 12 Dec 23 3.29pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

Lopetegui, , is almost certainly a good manager, not a frigging magician.
But what he took over at Wolves was an under performing, but deep squad full of real talents . Why under performing ,who knows? But yes he sorted them out.
He would get seven or eight real talents here, a deep squad no way, not under performing just unable to cope with the sheer lack of depth in the squad, causing a really noticeable decline in quality when the very best eleven are not available which is most weeks.
He left Wolves almost certainly because he wasn’t going to get improvement in resources. Well that’s f—-ed it then , because he will be lucky to get an improvement just to draw him in , and if he didn’t , the odds of not going down would only depend on his luck, as only our best eleven playing almost every game from here on in could make that a near certainty. This applies who ever had the balls to take it on.

You’re not selling the role very well. Virtually every manager employed is because things are going wrong under the current manager.
Lopetegui would be great appointment, if we could get him.

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 12 Dec 23 3.38pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

[Link] If he wants the job then I think Palace have to try and get him before someone else does, even if it meant nudging Roy off the bench. He totally transformed Wolves last season and would be a major coup. I still struggle to believe it's true, but who knows.

Firstly, why would he comes here when he left Wolves because they wouldn't spend any money. Out of the frying pan into the fire comes to mind.

Secondly the shower reporting this wrote an article two weeks ago saying that with Doucoure injured we should play Milivojevic instead. That shows the quality of their reporting

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Dec 23 3.49pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Firstly, why would he comes here when he left Wolves because they wouldn't spend any money. Out of the frying pan into the fire comes to mind.

Secondly the shower reporting this wrote an article two weeks ago saying that with Doucoure injured we should play Milivojevic instead. That shows the quality of their reporting

That second part made me chuckle

On your first point, I understand the argument or at least desire for Lopetegui but completely agree.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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dreamwaverider Flag London 12 Dec 23 4.00pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

If we are going to get him, hw will need £100m to spend and be appointed Jan !st latest.

Sadly can't see either happening.

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 12 Dec 23 4.01pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

You’re not selling the role very well. Virtually every manager employed is because things are going wrong under the current manager.
Lopetegui would be great appointment, if we could get him.

I wouldn’t want to sell the roll, and I wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole unless I wanted to fill the pension pot. If a club is set up for failure no manager will change that.
No club can just stand stil for the period since , season 21-22 and in respects of the playing squad actually go backwards become lighter and less effective. This club needs a major rethink not just a new manager. Lopetegui, is first class ,he left a good club because it didn’t seem to want more. Can’t see Palace thinking big enough for him . Give them three decent players and a lot of managers could keep Palace in this league including Hodgson. Just changing manager rarely stops a car car crash .
Leicester ,Leeds. Southampton. And that’s only last season.

 

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