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 Mapletree  Croydon 13 Oct 23 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
I've just watched a film about the extremist settlers on the WB via Al Jazeera (yes I know they have their agenda). However, they're as nutty as IS. A young woman, Western-dressed (could have been a young Amy Winehouse) calmly said she hated Arabs (they can't bring themselves to say Palestinian, 'they're all the same'), couldn't care less that an 18 month Arab baby had been killed by settlers and the whole thing was underlined by their adherence to the Torah. Man-made laws have no authority. I have never seen anything like this on mainstream TV. Edited by Slimey Toad (13 Oct 2023 7.18am) The settlers are mainly brought in for that purpose. Usually from Somalia and Russia. One could argue that Israel views them as ‘other’ and somewhat expendable.
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Sheks Crows Eye  Virginia 13 Oct 23 2.06pm |
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Remember that Armenians in their ancestral homeland of Artsakh in the South Caucuses were subjected to an aggressive war, siege starvation, bombardments, crimes against humanity and a military invasion at the hands of Azerbaijan since 2020. The social media are filled with videos and photos of Armenian men and women that Muslim Azeri soldiers beheaded or mutilated. 120,000 Christian Armenians were forced to flee for their lives after being besieged and starved for 9 months by the Azerbaijani government. For the past 3 years, Armenians of Artsakh have been going through hell. Despite all of these genocidal crimes that Azerbaijan has committed before the eyes of the whole world, there has been very little factual media coverage. It’s not just this, but Muslim countries *refuse* to recognize that its even happening, whereas even 1/10th of this occurring to them would lead to endless moralization and whining. Edited by Sheks Crows Eye (13 Oct 2023 2.07pm) Edited by Sheks Crows Eye (13 Oct 2023 2.07pm)
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 13 Oct 23 2.18pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We can all have our opinions about the rights and wrongs of this situation, but when someone is threatening your safety, it becomes irrelevant. I'd rather keep out of it, but our wonderful politicians have made that impossible. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Oct 2023 1.53pm) Maybe so, but I'm not fully aligned with the government on this one. Some of the content of Shapps statements yesterday were ridiculous.
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| georgenorman 13 Oct 23 2.31pm |
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Originally posted by nhp61
The "liberal left", hard left, showbiz luvvies and many in the media are very pro-Palestine and, although they deny it, many are anti-Semitic. To them, the Palestinians are the perennial victims while nasty evil Jewish Israel are always going to be the baddies. To this end, pro-Palestinian demonstrations are always going to be handled with kid gloves. We don't want to upset the Muslims, you know. Look at the Football Association's refusal to light the Wembley Arch in Israel's colours for fear of "a backlash from some communities". Oh yeah, don't want to upset the Muslims. Someone on here has likened Israel's actions, or potential actions, as "Ethnic cleansing". After what happened during the Holocaust that is a disgusting thing to say, and totally wrong. Israel wants to destroy Hamas. That's not ethnic cleansing, that's getting rid of a threat. Yet, the aim of Hamas is wipe the state of Israel off the face of the earth. That sounds to me like ethnic cleansing, but because it is Palestinians saying it, that's fine. Palestinian civilians are and will continue to get killed. Hamas knew how Israel would react when they attacked, so from the onset they were perfectly willing to sacrifice civilians in Gaza. People need to remember who actually started this present conflict. Hamas started it. Exactly, well said.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Oct 23 2.38pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Yes it is funny. And I am not lost to the humour, but must nevertheless mention one snag. The largely right wing hard line Christian base who vehemently support Israel, largely on religious grounds, are also overwhelmingly (and one of my favourite ironies) antisemites! So thick, they genuinely do not equate Israelis with e.g. the Shulman family who run the successful clothing shop on their high street. The New Israel will continue to be surrounded by people who hate them. It's not lost on me that they often support those who actually don't like them very much....ie the Christian who likes Ben Shapiro because Ben shares their views on trannies and socialism. However, there is a growing divide within the US right on this very matter.....the Christian boomers and much of gen X are burned in but the younger crowd have started to question and pushback. Some of it can be called antisemitic but a lot of it isn't in my opinion. They look at their corrupt politicians....Democrat and Republicans alike...look at the amount of money they have and start asking questions why they all seem to align so really strongly on one particular issue. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Oct 2023 2.42pm)
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| Sheks Crows Eye Virginia 13 Oct 23 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's not lost on me that they often support those who actually don't like them very much....ie the Christian who likes Ben Shapiro because Ben shares their views on trannies and socialism. However, there is a growing divide within the US right on this very matter.....the Christian boomers and much of gen X are burned in but the younger crowd have started to question and pushback. Some of it can be called antisemitic but a lot of it isn't in my opinion. They look at their corrupt politicians....Democrat and Republicans alike...look at the amount of money they have and start asking questions why they all seem to align so really strongly on one particular issue. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Oct 2023 2.42pm) Nothing worse for Israel's' future prospects than the "browning" of the west.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Oct 23 2.59pm |
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Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye
Nothing worse for Israel's' future prospects than the "browning" of the west. Well, let's not fall into the idea that all Jews think the same way of course. Right wing pro European Jews are out there...I was red pilled by one. Jared Taylor has significant funding from Jewish backers and Tommy Robinson is a full on Zionist who is just coming back from a holiday there and his funding for restarting the EDL is probably Israeli. However, the reality is that...collectively (a minority aren't)....all ethnic minorities within host cultures are instinctively against them. The evidence for that is easy to see in voting patterns. Indeed, out of the ethnic groups white Europeans are the least racist in this way (why Obama and others can still get elected).....but it's true even for whites just not as strong. If you look specifically at Jews in Europe/US, you find that they vote around 70 percent left.....While in Israel itself it's either right wing or pretty even. It's just general human nature. If you look at the 'it's the Jews' argument it goes something like this: If you weaken foreign nationalism then another Holocaust can never happen (it's probably counter productive). The thinking is that the more the west 'browns' the more they will fight each other....and who will be the Moses to lead them to harmony? I don't think it works like that but I think what you need to understand is that people mostly act instinctively and I've never been a person who thinks there's some grand conspiracy in these terms.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Oct 23 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Maybe so, but I'm not fully aligned with the government on this one. Some of the content of Shapps statements yesterday were ridiculous. That's great, but let's see how aligned you are when it all kicks off on our streets.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 13 Oct 23 3.09pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That's great, but let's see how aligned you are when it all kicks off on our streets. You often remind me of Chicken Little.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Oct 23 3.18pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
You often remind me of Chicken Little. And you remind me of Kentucky fried chicken. Too salty and bad for the nation's health.
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| Sheks Crows Eye Virginia 13 Oct 23 3.26pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, let's not fall into the idea that all Jews think the same way of course. Right wing pro European Jews are out there...I was red pilled by one. Jared Taylor has significant funding from Jewish backers and Tommy Robinson is a full on Zionist who is just coming back from a holiday there and his funding for restarting the EDL is probably Israeli. However, the reality is that...collectively (a minority aren't)....all ethnic minorities within host cultures are instinctively against them. The evidence for that is easy to see in voting patterns. Indeed, out of the ethnic groups white Europeans are the least racist in this way (why Obama and others can still get elected).....but it's true even for whites just not as strong. If you look specifically at Jews in Europe/US, you find that they vote around 70 percent left.....While in Israel itself it's either right wing or pretty even. It's just general human nature. If you look at the 'it's the Jews' argument it goes something like this: If you weaken foreign nationalism then another Holocaust can never happen (it's probably counter productive). The thinking is that the more the west 'browns' the more they will fight each other....and who will be the Moses to lead them to harmony? I don't think it works like that but I think what you need to understand is that people mostly act instinctively and I've never been a person who thinks there's some grand conspiracy in these terms.
Agree with everything you're saying, as an anecdote I have noticed a lot of center-left types, some jews here in the US waking up to whats going on. The openly pro-palestine/hamas protests, the blood chants...etc, etc The irony of these same people inviting the wolf to dine at kitchen table for the past two decades. I can’t believe that only 7 years ago the thing that most excited Leftists was affordable health care in this country. They really became sickos, each depravity worse than the last, to the point that they’re excusing, if not cheering on, snuff videos. Edited by Sheks Crows Eye (13 Oct 2023 3.27pm)
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| Stirlingsays 13 Oct 23 3.36pm |
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Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye
Agree with everything you're saying, as an anecdote I have noticed a lot of center-left types, some jews here in the US waking up to whats going on. The openly pro-palestine/hamas protests, the blood chants...etc, etc The irony of these same people inviting the wolf to dine at kitchen table for the past two decades. I can’t believe that only 7 years ago the thing that most excited Leftists was affordable health care in this country. They really became sickos, each depravity worse than the last, to the point that they’re excusing, if not cheering on, snuff videos. Edited by Sheks Crows Eye (13 Oct 2023 3.27pm) Totally agree. We are living in times where reactions to major events are less measured and more emotional, be it left or right....escalation and polarisation are on the menu. When it comes to war in our modern age I don't mind admitting that's freaky scary. I think the west leaders are a reflection of that....It's quite incredible that instead of the very best talent being available to voters, instead they get people only fit to tow the money line. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Oct 2023 3.39pm)
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