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Putitout Oxford 20 Dec 23 8.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Painter
I remember this same rhetoric when Peter Taylor was appointed, after managing this under somethings for England. The turned out to be absolutely useless, resorted to signing his son in law, who was useless as well. You could be right. No reason why. not, He done a brilliant job getting them up. Where have you heard that before.? Maybe it’s Burnley. Leeds that rather strange character every one buzzed about. Being the sort of club Palace are , the majority of candidates that would want the job are just not serial winners.
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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 21 Dec 23 9.01am | |
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Originally posted by Painter
I remember this same rhetoric when Peter Taylor was appointed, after managing this under somethings for England. The turned out to be absolutely useless, resorted to signing his son in law, who was useless as well.
Either we want a manager who will embrace our young players and academy or, if not, might as well stick with Roy.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 21 Dec 23 10.53am | |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
Either we want a manager who will embrace our young players and academy or, if not, might as well stick with Roy. By '' embrace '' do you mean sticking the kids in for the sake of it ? I think the way that Hodgson has managed the likes of Ozoh, Rak-Sakyi and Franca may have erred on the side of caution, but all three are in a position to contribute in the second half of the season. Outside of those players, I don't believe there is anyone looking likely to make the step up from Academy football anytime soon. Roy always has the finger pointing at him for not picking young players. If you describe that as being risk adverse, well he's working for a club that is the epitome of that. It's all about preserving the place in the EPL. I refer, once again, to a recent interview with Steve Parish. In response to a question, he said that Palace would be looking to loan experienced players in the January window. Roy also commented yesterday that by doing so they have to factor in the effect on those young players pushing for a place. So just how much of a difference would a new manager make at this moment in time ?
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southnorwoodhill 21 Dec 23 5.18pm | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
By '' embrace '' do you mean sticking the kids in for the sake of it ? I think the way that Hodgson has managed the likes of Ozoh, Rak-Sakyi and Franca may have erred on the side of caution, but all three are in a position to contribute in the second half of the season. Outside of those players, I don't believe there is anyone looking likely to make the step up from Academy football anytime soon. Roy always has the finger pointing at him for not picking young players. If you describe that as being risk adverse, well he's working for a club that is the epitome of that. It's all about preserving the place in the EPL. I refer, once again, to a recent interview with Steve Parish. In response to a question, he said that Palace would be looking to loan experienced players in the January window. Roy also commented yesterday that by doing so they have to factor in the effect on those young players pushing for a place. So just how much of a difference would a new manager make at this moment in time ? It's baffling. January sales, it's a time when a club tries to offload some overpriced and overpaid duffers onto a desperate recipient club. Palace of course fit the bill perfectly - Remi, Tosun, Batshuayi all spring immediately to mind.
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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 21 Dec 23 10.57pm | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
By '' embrace '' do you mean sticking the kids in for the sake of it ? Roy always has the finger pointing at him for not picking young players. If you describe that as being risk adverse, well he's working for a club that is the epitome of that. It's all about preserving the place in the EPL. I refer, once again, to a recent interview with Steve Parish. In response to a question, he said that Palace would be looking to loan experienced players in the January window. Roy also commented yesterday that by doing so they have to factor in the effect on those young players pushing for a place. So just how much of a difference would a new manager make at this moment in time ?
There is a clear middle ground between irresponsibly throwing young players in for the sake of it, potentially damaging them, and what Roy does. The way that Roy plays requires discipline and experience, which is why he distrusts young players and prefers players like Ayew who might not set the world alight but will give you a solid, reliable effort every time. An example of an occasion when this manifests itself to ridiculous effect would be the West Ham game, where Jairo Riedewald ended up on the left wing while Franca, Ebiowei and Ahamada sat on the bench. If you want a compact, organised defensive team then Roy is your man. But we are clearly setting up the club so that the academy becomes hugely important and I don't believe that those young players are being trained to play in that manner. I also don't believe that our system allows young players to come in and thrive. We've been in this league for over a decade now, is it not time to try and do something a tad more progressive? Ultimately Vieira was sacked after taking 5 points from 11 games. Roy has taken 7 points from 11 games and with easier fixtures. We're sleepwalking into a relegation battle and if this horrid style of football isn't even guaranteed to keep us safe then why are we still suffering it?
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PatrickA London 22 Dec 23 10.45am | |
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Some valid points. Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
There is a clear middle ground between irresponsibly throwing young players in for the sake of it, potentially damaging them, and what Roy does. The way that Roy plays requires discipline and experience, which is why he distrusts young players and prefers players like Ayew who might not set the world alight but will give you a solid, reliable effort every time. An example of an occasion when this manifests itself to ridiculous effect would be the West Ham game, where Jairo Riedewald ended up on the left wing while Franca, Ebiowei and Ahamada sat on the bench. If you want a compact, organised defensive team then Roy is your man. But we are clearly setting up the club so that the academy becomes hugely important and I don't believe that those young players are being trained to play in that manner. I also don't believe that our system allows young players to come in and thrive. We've been in this league for over a decade now, is it not time to try and do something a tad more progressive? Ultimately Vieira was sacked after taking 5 points from 11 games. Roy has taken 7 points from 11 games and with easier fixtures. We're sleepwalking into a relegation battle and if this horrid style of football isn't even guaranteed to keep us safe then why are we still suffering it?
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PZ Eagle Penzance 22 Dec 23 11.13am | |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
{Roy has taken 7 points from 11 games and with easier fixtures. ] Actually Roy has taken 18 points from 18 games We are only ONE point behind 12th place with another twenty to play I remember Stoke City fans moaning about Pullis and his so called boring football so much so they got him the sack. Be careful what you wish for!
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 22 Dec 23 11.18am | |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Some valid points. Well now you are starting to see where I’ve been coming from. Moaning about Roy is of course people’s prerogative. But did you seriously think he was going to change his tried and trusted methodology ? Did Steve Parish when he re-appointed him ? Rhetorical questions and the answers are a “no” in both cases I’m sure. I think results have been impacted by injuries and the strength in depth of the playing squad. Take those factors out and you could lay the blame firmly at the managers door. Which some are choosing to do anyway. Is it right for the club you ask - that’s a question for Steve Parish. The guy that recently said we will be looking to loan experienced players in January. Potentially blocking the progress of some of the younger players.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 22 Dec 23 11.32am | |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
There is a clear middle ground between irresponsibly throwing young players in for the sake of it, potentially damaging them, and what Roy does. The way that Roy plays requires discipline and experience, which is why he distrusts young players and prefers players like Ayew who might not set the world alight but will give you a solid, reliable effort every time. An example of an occasion when this manifests itself to ridiculous effect would be the West Ham game, where Jairo Riedewald ended up on the left wing while Franca, Ebiowei and Ahamada sat on the bench. If you want a compact, organised defensive team then Roy is your man. But we are clearly setting up the club so that the academy becomes hugely important and I don't believe that those young players are being trained to play in that manner. I also don't believe that our system allows young players to come in and thrive. We've been in this league for over a decade now, is it not time to try and do something a tad more progressive? Ultimately Vieira was sacked after taking 5 points from 11 games. Roy has taken 7 points from 11 games and with easier fixtures. We're sleepwalking into a relegation battle and if this horrid style of football isn't even guaranteed to keep us safe then why are we still suffering it? Leaving aside for a moment Roy’s methods which we are all familiar with. Yes much has been of the new Academy. The infrastructure looks superb and the club can be rightly proud of it. But once the players step onto the field just what is the quality of coaching they are receiving ? And as you say, usually the Academy teams follow the first team’s blueprint in terms of playing style - little evidence of that from the games I watch. So I think it’s down to the short term thinking at the top which ( understandably ) has Premier League survival as it overriding priority. If we do a comparison with Brighton from last night’s performance, it looks apparent that all of their teams are coached in the same way. But then they have been better at planning and implementing than Palace for a while now.
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Painter Croydon 22 Dec 23 12.56pm | |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Some valid points. I think you’re getting confused again, De Zebri used Lallana and Welbeck who couldn’t be considered young players by any stretch. He used Buonanotte a young player and Roy used Ozoh a young player.
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Eaglecoops CR3 22 Dec 23 1.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
There is a clear middle ground between irresponsibly throwing young players in for the sake of it, potentially damaging them, and what Roy does. The way that Roy plays requires discipline and experience, which is why he distrusts young players and prefers players like Ayew who might not set the world alight but will give you a solid, reliable effort every time. An example of an occasion when this manifests itself to ridiculous effect would be the West Ham game, where Jairo Riedewald ended up on the left wing while Franca, Ebiowei and Ahamada sat on the bench. If you want a compact, organised defensive team then Roy is your man. But we are clearly setting up the club so that the academy becomes hugely important and I don't believe that those young players are being trained to play in that manner. I also don't believe that our system allows young players to come in and thrive. We've been in this league for over a decade now, is it not time to try and do something a tad more progressive? Ultimately Vieira was sacked after taking 5 points from 11 games. Roy has taken 7 points from 11 games and with easier fixtures. We're sleepwalking into a relegation battle and if this horrid style of football isn't even guaranteed to keep us safe then why are we still suffering it? Agreed.
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PatrickA London 22 Dec 23 1.52pm | |
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Not confused at all; it's more likely you've misunderstood the point. Originally posted by Painter
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