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Putitout Flag Oxford 20 Dec 23 8.41pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

I remember this same rhetoric when Peter Taylor was appointed, after managing this under somethings for England. The turned out to be absolutely useless, resorted to signing his son in law, who was useless as well.
Forget Cooper, 2 wins in 28 away games. He had many game ready players signed at Forrest, but couldn’t see the woods for the trees.

You could be right. No reason why. not, He done a brilliant job getting them up. Where have you heard that before.? Maybe it’s Burnley. Leeds that rather strange character every one buzzed about. Being the sort of club Palace are , the majority of candidates that would want the job are just not serial winners.
Unless Parish can fill a good solid winner, and they are rare anyway, with more than mere promises of a playing squad that stands a cat in hells chance of them taking us out of our present .levels. Personally for me it’s a Tobola, , problem is far too many actual good ones will say put me back in. To be honest Coopermight well not be one of those, if he did it actually says it all.

 

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Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 21 Dec 23 9.01am Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

I remember this same rhetoric when Peter Taylor was appointed, after managing this under somethings for England. The turned out to be absolutely useless, resorted to signing his son in law, who was useless as well.
Forget Cooper, 2 wins in 28 away games. He had many game ready players signed at Forrest, but couldn’t see the woods for the trees.


Surely we're not saying that because Peter Taylor did badly for us 16 years ago we're not going to give anyone with a background in youth football a chance again.

Either we want a manager who will embrace our young players and academy or, if not, might as well stick with Roy.

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 21 Dec 23 10.53am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace


Surely we're not saying that because Peter Taylor did badly for us 16 years ago we're not going to give anyone with a background in youth football a chance again.

Either we want a manager who will embrace our young players and academy or, if not, might as well stick with Roy.

By '' embrace '' do you mean sticking the kids in for the sake of it ?

I think the way that Hodgson has managed the likes of Ozoh, Rak-Sakyi and Franca may have erred on the side of caution, but all three are in a position to contribute in the second half of the season. Outside of those players, I don't believe there is anyone looking likely to make the step up from Academy football anytime soon.

Roy always has the finger pointing at him for not picking young players. If you describe that as being risk adverse, well he's working for a club that is the epitome of that. It's all about preserving the place in the EPL.

I refer, once again, to a recent interview with Steve Parish. In response to a question, he said that Palace would be looking to loan experienced players in the January window. Roy also commented yesterday that by doing so they have to factor in the effect on those young players pushing for a place.

So just how much of a difference would a new manager make at this moment in time ?

 


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southnorwoodhill Flag 21 Dec 23 5.18pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

By '' embrace '' do you mean sticking the kids in for the sake of it ?

I think the way that Hodgson has managed the likes of Ozoh, Rak-Sakyi and Franca may have erred on the side of caution, but all three are in a position to contribute in the second half of the season. Outside of those players, I don't believe there is anyone looking likely to make the step up from Academy football anytime soon.

Roy always has the finger pointing at him for not picking young players. If you describe that as being risk adverse, well he's working for a club that is the epitome of that. It's all about preserving the place in the EPL.

I refer, once again, to a recent interview with Steve Parish. In response to a question, he said that Palace would be looking to loan experienced players in the January window. Roy also commented yesterday that by doing so they have to factor in the effect on those young players pushing for a place.

So just how much of a difference would a new manager make at this moment in time ?

It's baffling. January sales, it's a time when a club tries to offload some overpriced and overpaid duffers onto a desperate recipient club. Palace of course fit the bill perfectly - Remi, Tosun, Batshuayi all spring immediately to mind.

 

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Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 21 Dec 23 10.57pm Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

By '' embrace '' do you mean sticking the kids in for the sake of it ?

I think the way that Hodgson has managed the likes of Ozoh, Rak-Sakyi and Franca may have erred on the side of caution, but all three are in a position to contribute in the second half of the season. Outside of those players, I don't believe there is anyone looking likely to make the step up from Academy football anytime soon.

Roy always has the finger pointing at him for not picking young players. If you describe that as being risk adverse, well he's working for a club that is the epitome of that. It's all about preserving the place in the EPL.

I refer, once again, to a recent interview with Steve Parish. In response to a question, he said that Palace would be looking to loan experienced players in the January window. Roy also commented yesterday that by doing so they have to factor in the effect on those young players pushing for a place.

So just how much of a difference would a new manager make at this moment in time ?


No, of course not.

There is a clear middle ground between irresponsibly throwing young players in for the sake of it, potentially damaging them, and what Roy does.

The way that Roy plays requires discipline and experience, which is why he distrusts young players and prefers players like Ayew who might not set the world alight but will give you a solid, reliable effort every time.

An example of an occasion when this manifests itself to ridiculous effect would be the West Ham game, where Jairo Riedewald ended up on the left wing while Franca, Ebiowei and Ahamada sat on the bench.

If you want a compact, organised defensive team then Roy is your man. But we are clearly setting up the club so that the academy becomes hugely important and I don't believe that those young players are being trained to play in that manner.

I also don't believe that our system allows young players to come in and thrive. We've been in this league for over a decade now, is it not time to try and do something a tad more progressive?

Ultimately Vieira was sacked after taking 5 points from 11 games. Roy has taken 7 points from 11 games and with easier fixtures. We're sleepwalking into a relegation battle and if this horrid style of football isn't even guaranteed to keep us safe then why are we still suffering it?

 


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PatrickA Flag London 22 Dec 23 10.45am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Some valid points.
If Roy's methods were delivering results and demonstrating evidence of progress then it could just about be tolerable.
However, we've won just 4 in 18 and only 1 at home with nearly half of the season gone.
De Zebri had an experienced bench yesterday, but still elected to play the young players and trust them to continue their development.
Roy would probably have played the experienced players as they were familiar with his methods and he wouldn't have the risk of the young players making a mistake.
It's probably right for Roy and his methods, but is it right for the club?
We're not getting the results or performances and the young players are not developing.


Originally posted by Canterbury Palace


No, of course not.

There is a clear middle ground between irresponsibly throwing young players in for the sake of it, potentially damaging them, and what Roy does.

The way that Roy plays requires discipline and experience, which is why he distrusts young players and prefers players like Ayew who might not set the world alight but will give you a solid, reliable effort every time.

An example of an occasion when this manifests itself to ridiculous effect would be the West Ham game, where Jairo Riedewald ended up on the left wing while Franca, Ebiowei and Ahamada sat on the bench.

If you want a compact, organised defensive team then Roy is your man. But we are clearly setting up the club so that the academy becomes hugely important and I don't believe that those young players are being trained to play in that manner.

I also don't believe that our system allows young players to come in and thrive. We've been in this league for over a decade now, is it not time to try and do something a tad more progressive?

Ultimately Vieira was sacked after taking 5 points from 11 games. Roy has taken 7 points from 11 games and with easier fixtures. We're sleepwalking into a relegation battle and if this horrid style of football isn't even guaranteed to keep us safe then why are we still suffering it?

 

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PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 22 Dec 23 11.13am Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

{Roy has taken 7 points from 11 games and with easier fixtures. ]

Actually Roy has taken 18 points from 18 games We are only ONE point behind 12th place with another twenty to play

I remember Stoke City fans moaning about Pullis and his so called boring football so much so they got him the sack.

Be careful what you wish for!

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 22 Dec 23 11.18am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Some valid points.
If Roy's methods were delivering results and demonstrating evidence of progress then it could just about be tolerable.
However, we've won just 4 in 18 and only 1 at home with nearly half of the season gone.
De Zebri had an experienced bench yesterday, but still elected to play the young players and trust them to continue their development.
Roy would probably have played the experienced players as they were familiar with his methods and he wouldn't have the risk of the young players making a mistake.
It's probably right for Roy and his methods, but is it right for the club?
We're not getting the results or performances and the young players are not developing.

Well now you are starting to see where I’ve been coming from.

Moaning about Roy is of course people’s prerogative. But did you seriously think he was going to change his tried and trusted methodology ? Did Steve Parish when he re-appointed him ? Rhetorical questions and the answers are a “no” in both cases I’m sure.

I think results have been impacted by injuries and the strength in depth of the playing squad. Take those factors out and you could lay the blame firmly at the managers door. Which some are choosing to do anyway.

Is it right for the club you ask - that’s a question for Steve Parish. The guy that recently said we will be looking to loan experienced players in January. Potentially blocking the progress of some of the younger players.

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 22 Dec 23 11.32am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace


No, of course not.

There is a clear middle ground between irresponsibly throwing young players in for the sake of it, potentially damaging them, and what Roy does.

The way that Roy plays requires discipline and experience, which is why he distrusts young players and prefers players like Ayew who might not set the world alight but will give you a solid, reliable effort every time.

An example of an occasion when this manifests itself to ridiculous effect would be the West Ham game, where Jairo Riedewald ended up on the left wing while Franca, Ebiowei and Ahamada sat on the bench.

If you want a compact, organised defensive team then Roy is your man. But we are clearly setting up the club so that the academy becomes hugely important and I don't believe that those young players are being trained to play in that manner.

I also don't believe that our system allows young players to come in and thrive. We've been in this league for over a decade now, is it not time to try and do something a tad more progressive?

Ultimately Vieira was sacked after taking 5 points from 11 games. Roy has taken 7 points from 11 games and with easier fixtures. We're sleepwalking into a relegation battle and if this horrid style of football isn't even guaranteed to keep us safe then why are we still suffering it?

Leaving aside for a moment Roy’s methods which we are all familiar with.

Yes much has been of the new Academy. The infrastructure looks superb and the club can be rightly proud of it.

But once the players step onto the field just what is the quality of coaching they are receiving ? And as you say, usually the Academy teams follow the first team’s blueprint in terms of playing style - little evidence of that from the games I watch.

So I think it’s down to the short term thinking at the top which ( understandably ) has Premier League survival as it overriding priority.

If we do a comparison with Brighton from last night’s performance, it looks apparent that all of their teams are coached in the same way. But then they have been better at planning and implementing than Palace for a while now.

 


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Painter Flag Croydon 22 Dec 23 12.56pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Some valid points.
If Roy's methods were delivering results and demonstrating evidence of progress then it could just about be tolerable.
However, we've won just 4 in 18 and only 1 at home with nearly half of the season gone.
De Zebri had an experienced bench yesterday, but still elected to play the young players and trust them to continue their development.
Roy would probably have played the experienced players as they were familiar with his methods and he wouldn't have the risk of the young players making a mistake.
It's probably right for Roy and his methods, but is it right for the club?
We're not getting the results or performances and the young players are not developing.

I think you’re getting confused again, De Zebri used Lallana and Welbeck who couldn’t be considered young players by any stretch. He used Buonanotte a young player and Roy used Ozoh a young player.

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 22 Dec 23 1.04pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace


No, of course not.

There is a clear middle ground between irresponsibly throwing young players in for the sake of it, potentially damaging them, and what Roy does.

The way that Roy plays requires discipline and experience, which is why he distrusts young players and prefers players like Ayew who might not set the world alight but will give you a solid, reliable effort every time.

An example of an occasion when this manifests itself to ridiculous effect would be the West Ham game, where Jairo Riedewald ended up on the left wing while Franca, Ebiowei and Ahamada sat on the bench.

If you want a compact, organised defensive team then Roy is your man. But we are clearly setting up the club so that the academy becomes hugely important and I don't believe that those young players are being trained to play in that manner.

I also don't believe that our system allows young players to come in and thrive. We've been in this league for over a decade now, is it not time to try and do something a tad more progressive?

Ultimately Vieira was sacked after taking 5 points from 11 games. Roy has taken 7 points from 11 games and with easier fixtures. We're sleepwalking into a relegation battle and if this horrid style of football isn't even guaranteed to keep us safe then why are we still suffering it?

Agreed.

 

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PatrickA Flag London 22 Dec 23 1.52pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Not confused at all; it's more likely you've misunderstood the point.
De Zebri started two 19 year olds and introduced an 18 year old in the second half who changed the game.
This despite having an experienced bench.
Roy would not do this as he prefers experienced players who understand his methods of 9 behind the ball.
These methods have led to one home win all season and some abject performances.
The expectations are such that draws at home to Fulham, Brighton and Forest are almost celebrated and defeats to Bournemouth and Everton are almost accepted.
We continue to be overtaken by progressive clubs, who develop young players play on the front foot and will make innovative tactical changes during the game.
Roy is not soley responsible for the malaise at the club, but his methods and approach are surely part of the problem.
Neither the performances nor the results are good, we are not seeing the young players develop and the club gives the appearance of going backwards.


Originally posted by Painter

 

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