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 HeathMan  Purley 31 Aug 23 11.28am |
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Ferguson also due to be available in 2031. ------- So soon?
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| rikz Croydon 31 Aug 23 11.45am |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Your grasp , or rather your lack of, of how the football world turns continues to amaze me. Keep it coming, I like a good laugh Great argument back. We've spent 11 years in the prem, great, we've got a great spine, great and a great new academy, our stadium is up there as the worse in league football, our squad is thin and we've spent the least out of any other club this summer. Brighton and Brentford in a shorter time both have arguably better squads, Brighton definitely do. A smaller net spend, both have new stadiums and with less wealthy owners. They're both examples that we can be better. You can keep making excuses for the club all you want, yeah it might not be easy but other clubs seem to find it a bit more easy than us. Maybe we could stop employing ex players and employ people who are better at the job. Let's face it, the only reason Roy is manager is because it was one less headache the club had to deal with.
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| rikz Croydon 31 Aug 23 12.21pm |
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Plus we can all sit here and look and laugh at wolves and Everton and say but look where they are, in the last 11 years both have finished higher than us in the league, both have played in Europe, wolves have a great stadium, Everton are building a brand new stadium and let's face it, both could quite easily finish above us this year. So who's fans are really laughing.
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 31 Aug 23 12.39pm |
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Originally posted by rikz
Great argument back. We've spent 11 years in the prem, great, we've got a great spine, great and a great new academy, our stadium is up there as the worse in league football, our squad is thin and we've spent the least out of any other club this summer. Brighton and Brentford in a shorter time both have arguably better squads, Brighton definitely do. A smaller net spend, both have new stadiums and with less wealthy owners. They're both examples that we can be better. You can keep making excuses for the club all you want, yeah it might not be easy but other clubs seem to find it a bit more easy than us. Maybe we could stop employing ex players and employ people who are better at the job. Let's face it, the only reason Roy is manager is because it was one less headache the club had to deal with. Keep it coming - the comparisons with Brighton and Brentford have been debated on here before and at length. Guess what - some clubs do things better than others. Those clubs scouting teams have outperformed most if not all in the Premier League in the last couple of years. Brighton have 5x our debt and are bankrolled by a fan in Tony Bloom. He’s also built a new stadium which in turn generates more revenue. Have a go then at Steve Parish for not being wealthy enough to compete. Or do the usual and knock the Americans for not investing enough to satisfy your demands. We’ve just spent £15m on a new goalkeeper today. And although that admittedly seems an odd move, even you would have to admit that’s an investment in the squad. And there could be more business done before the window closes. You’re typical of people who do nothing but moan and criticise but don’t have any viable solutions to the perceived problems. Added to that you refuse to accept facts when they are presented to you. I’ll let you have the last word because there’s clearly no getting through to you
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| Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 31 Aug 23 12.50pm |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
Textor does not have a controlling interest at Palace so if he does run into trouble, his administrators may get his shares but all they can do is try and sell them which for a minority holding are not worth much. I expect H&B would hoover them up. Nobody has a controlling interest in Palace now. That's part of the point. You may argue it is the club's credit but in the end, our counterparts (whomsoever they may be) will look at who they are dealing with. And if the top shareholder is way over extended, it can become our problem.
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| rikz Croydon 31 Aug 23 12.58pm |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Keep it coming - the comparisons with Brighton and Brentford have been debated on here before and at length. Guess what - some clubs do things better than others. Those clubs scouting teams have outperformed most if not all in the Premier League in the last couple of years. Brighton have 5x our debt and are bankrolled by a fan in Tony Bloom. He’s also built a new stadium which in turn generates more revenue. Have a go then at Steve Parish for not being wealthy enough to compete. Or do the usual and knock the Americans for not investing enough to satisfy your demands. We’ve just spent £15m on a new goalkeeper today. And although that admittedly seems an odd move, even you would have to admit that’s an investment in the squad. And there could be more business done before the window closes. You’re typical of people who do nothing but moan and criticise but don’t have any viable solutions to the perceived problems. Added to that you refuse to accept facts when they are presented to you. I’ll let you have the last word because there’s clearly no getting through to you And even tho admittedly that seems a weird move, so even when you don't agree with the club, you'll blindly support every decision they make. So there's no point debating with you is there. To satisfy my demands, have you seen the state of our stadium ? So Brighton can manage to do it because their stadium allows them to generate more income. Hmmmmmm so I wonder what we could possibly do. Nope how dare we demand investors, invest in the club that would allow it to generate more income. What a stupid solution that would be.
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| TheBigToePunt 31 Aug 23 1.12pm |
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Originally posted by rikz
Give over, for a Premier league club we basically have our pick over every single footballer in the world, with the exception of the big European clubs and now the Saudi clubs, our wage bill is 10 times that of 99% of clubs in world football. You've got the big clubs, saudi and then the rest of the Premier league who have first pick on every professional player in the world. If our scouting system can't manage to identify a couple of players who would strengthen our squad out of that pool of players then there's something seriously wrong. It doesn't seem that any argument we have a limited budget and must constantly prioritise is ever going to win you over. I don't understand why that remains the case, but let's imagine that spending the extra money to get two new fullbacks or a new forward or whatever isn't an issue (I appreciate you are proposing average transfer fees and not silly money). Let's look at the idea that there is a failure here to scout the leagues of the world for good players and then do the deals. Notwithstanding the fact we've already spent our budget, let's just agree that, individually, Palace could afford and attract 95% of the players in 95% of the world's professional football leagues. How many of the world's professional footballers are good enough to improve the 11th-best team in the world's best league? I would suggest that only very few of them would improve our side. Those who would plainly improve a good PL side will stand out and be on the radar of the bigger clubs who will happily spend £20-£50m on a fullback. They are out of our reach. We are shopping in the next level down (let's say the £10-£15m bracket, like Sacha Boey who we were linked with). The thing is, so are West Ham, Brighton, Villa (a bit), Brentford, Fulham, Forest, Wolves, Bournemouth, Everton, Sheffield Utd, Burnley, Leicester, Southampton, Leeds, Watford, half the Bundesliga outside of Bayern Munich, the better sides in Spain outside of Barca and the Madrid clubs, the best sides in France outside of PSG, the best clubs in Portugal and Italy... Not only does that put the prices up hugely as the selling club gets an auction going, but it also reduces the chances of getting the player simply because he can pick from so many clubs. It has nothing to do with not being able to find players - the guy who designed the Championship Manager football game has been selling his data to every club in Europe for years, as have firms like Wyscout - it has to do with every other club also knowing about every decent player in every decent league. We could try even further afield and scatter-gun sign leftfield longshots like Brighton do, but as has become increasingly clear, they need to sell very big very often to just break even. A lot of their long shots flop terribly, but just go unreported. I'm not in favour of Palace taking long-odds gambles on players from Iran, Ecuador, Zambia and Timbuktoo when we, unlike Brighton, are based in one of the most densely populated metropolitan areas in the world - an area which has on occasion provided up to half the u18, u21 and senior England squads in recent years. Palace are prudent in their business. They try to avoid bidding wars, they rarely pay over the odds, and they rarely gamble on unknown quantities. They also only spend what they can afford, and they prioritise. That will always leave us a couple of players shorter than we would like to be, but it's wrong to suggest they aren't aware of possible signings in other leagues (look at Docoure, Guitia, Ahamada and now Franca). They just focus closer to home. Edited by TheBigToePunt (31 Aug 2023 1.22pm)
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| iheartcpfc SE25 31 Aug 23 1.19pm |
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I have to say I for one am loving all this intent we're showing this window. It's great to have a well built squad with depth where we need it thanks Steve and Dougie
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| rikz Croydon 31 Aug 23 1.23pm |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
It doesn't seem that any argument we have a limited budget and must constantly prioritise is ever going to win you over. I don't understand why that remains the case, but let's imagine that spending the extra money to get two new fullbacks or a new forward or whatever isn't an issue (I appreciate you are proposing average transfer fees and not silly money). Let's look at the idea that there is a failure here to scout the leagues of the world for good players and then do the deals. Notwithstanding the fact we've already spent our budget, let's just agree that Palace could afford and attract 95% of the players in 95% of the world's professional football leagues. How many of the world's professional footballers are good enough to improve the 11th-best team in the world's best league? I would suggest that only very few of them would improve our side. Those who would plainly improve a good PL side will stand out and be on the radar of the bigger clubs who will happily spend £20-£50m on a fullback. They are out of our reach. We are shopping in the next level down (let's say the £10-£15m bracket, like Sacha Boey who we were linked with). Thing is, so are West Ham, Brighton, Villa (a bit), Brentford, Fulham, Forest, Wolves, Bournemouth, Everton, Sheffield Utd, Burnley, Leicester, Southampton, Leeds, Watford, half the Bundesliga outside of Bayern Munich, the better sides in Spain outside of Barca and the Madrid clubs, the best sides in France outside of PSG, the best clubs in Portugal and Italy... Not only does that put the prices up hugely as the selling club gets an auction going, but it also reduces the chances of getting the player simply because he can pick from so many clubs. It has nothing to do with not being able to find players - the guy who designed the Championship Manager football game has been selling his data to every club in Europe for years, as have firms like Wyscout - it has to do with every other club also knowing about every decent player in every decent league. We could try even further afield and scatter-gun sign leftfield longshots like Brighton do, but as has become increasingly clear, they need to sell very big very often to just break even. A lot of their long shots flop terribly, but just go unreported. I'm not in favour of Palace taking long-odds gambles on players from Iran, Ecuador, Zambia and Timbuktoo when we, unlike Brighton, are based in one of the most densely populated metropolitan areas in the world - an area which has on occasion provided up to half the u18, u21 and senior England squads in recent years. Palace are prudent in their business. They try to avoid bidding wars, they rarely pay over the odds, and they rarely gamble on unknown quantities. They also only spend what they can afford, and they prioritise. That will always leave us a couple of players shorter than we would like to be, but it's wrong to suggest they aren't aware of possible signings in other leagues (look at Docoure, Guitia, Ahamada and now Franca), they just focus closer to home. Edited by TheBigToePunt (31 Aug 2023 1.19pm) You're overcomplicating to make excuses. Is it acceptable for a Premier league squad to have one left back for the last 2 seasons ?
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| TheBigToePunt 31 Aug 23 1.25pm |
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Originally posted by iheartcpfc
I have to say I for one am loving all this intent we're showing this window. It's great to have a well built squad with depth where we need it thanks Steve and Dougie Entitled post of the week contender here....
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| TheBigToePunt 31 Aug 23 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by rikz
You're overcomplicating to make excuses. Is it acceptable for a Premier league squad to have one left back for the last 2 seasons ? I'm not overcomplicating anything, you are oversimplifying things rather than addressing the evidence. How many PL clubs outside of the top six have two good players for each position?
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| iheartcpfc SE25 31 Aug 23 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
Entitled post of the week contender here.... Yes, I do feel entitled to not have to watch Schlupp on the wing in 2023 and a RB who hasn't got their free bus pass. Sorry if it offends.
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