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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 May 23 1.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
A war hero who fought in conflict, perhaps suffering PTSD, and that's how society deals with people like them. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (31 May 2023 12.11pm) Several officers from the Royal British Legion attended his funeral and I was able to chat with them. They told me he had been offered assistance but had refused it. Whether true, or whether they could have done more, I am not in a position to know.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 31 May 23 2.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
A war hero who fought in conflict, perhaps suffering PTSD, and that's how society deals with people like them. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (31 May 2023 12.11pm) the only war-heroes are those fighting to defend their homeland. Does pushing a button to sink the General Belgrano make a fella a War hero ? or bombing Dresden ? most Wars are for oil, corporates or Territory. A loada bollix. If the UK 'war heroes' of WWII could see the state of Blighty today, they would have stayed in bed. And Lee Rigby ? more of a War martyr....murdered on the streets of Greenwich - and Migration played its part in the murder.
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becky over the moon 31 May 23 3.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I said yesterday I was too busy to answer the bs in your post at 11.28 and intended to do so today. As I doubt anyone but myself and Becky read it (sorry Becky) and the thread has moved on I won't now dissect it line by line, but make some general remarks. I appreciate your kind consideration, but there is no apology necessary. Nothing is better than a good, strong cup of coffee and reading every overnight post on hol at 6.30 in the morning.......
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cryrst The garden of England 31 May 23 8.30pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
I appreciate your kind consideration, but there is no apology necessary. Nothing is better than a good, strong cup of coffee and reading every overnight post on hol at 6.30 in the morning.......
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 May 23 9.23pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
I appreciate your kind consideration, but there is no apology necessary. Nothing is better than a good, strong cup of coffee and reading every overnight post on hol at 6.30 in the morning.......
Good to know, but I still sympathise. Some of these here keep very odd hours and write reams of twaddle in the small hours. You must need that coffee. I still "start my day the Kellogg's way". Something you are doubtless too young to remember.
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becky over the moon 31 May 23 9.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Good to know, but I still sympathise. Some of these here keep very odd hours and write reams of twaddle in the small hours. You must need that coffee. I still "start my day the Kellogg's way". Something you are doubtless too young to remember. How very (wrongly) presumptuous of you......anyway, I had you down as more of a 'go to work on an egg' man, but I suppose at your age you need the bran.
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Stirlingsays 31 May 23 10.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I said yesterday I was too busy to answer the bs in your post at 11.28 and intended to do so today. As I doubt anyone but myself and Becky read it (sorry Becky) and the thread has moved on I won't now dissect it line by line, but make some general remarks. It, like many of your posts, is like an old Frank Sinatra 45, stuck in a groove and bleating out "My Way" repeatedly. If you get something stuck in your head no amount of patient explanation is going to shift it. So I doubt this will either, but patience is a virtue! People do move here to escape the impact of immigration. Some relatives of mine moved out of Southall in the 60s and came here. Their street became occupied almost exclusively by Indians, they accepted an offer and ended up here, because they could get so much more for their money. That though was not my motivation at all. I wouldn't want to live in Southall whoever else lived there. The idea that you constantly float, that you must be living an experience before having an opinion on it, is such transparent nonsense that further comment is really unnecessary. I've had better things to do than respond to this nonsense but some of your points here are irritating so I'll bite. Within this little story, no doubt true, of your family history you appear to acknowledge the damaging effect that diverse neighborhoods have on social cohesion by recognizing that your family wasn't comfortable within an increasingly foreign environment. What your family did was standard human behaviour. The same motivation that encouraged those Indians to group together in a community urged your family to move from it. The truth of the demographic map shows that it's standard behaviour for any ethnic community....and whites have less ethnic preference than any other...much to their own self harm. Indeed, it's the minority who suggest that multiculturalism works or have the debunked fantasy that eventually all cultures steamline...it ignores all of human history. Instead look at the metrics....your politics worsens society not improves it. Your politics destroys communities, which makes your move to one of the least diverse areas in the country pure hypocrisy. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you decide to move out of Wisbech for similar reasons to my relatives that's your business, not mine. I offer no judgement on If your claim that I'm a hypocrite made any sense perhaps I could see it. You not offering an opinion on what I will end up doing (which corresponds to my politics) but me criticising you living in a place that doesn't corresponds to the politics you promote.....that somehow makes me a hyprocrite? Ok old bean, it doesn't make a lick of sense, but whatever you say. Up is down, left is right....and you're a one nation conservative apparently...or rather your wallet is. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You, and many of the others here complaining about immigration, concentrate solely on the social impact it has in certain places. Whilst undoubtedly true and a significant short to medium-term problem they must be dealt with and not allowed to dominate the greater need. Without sufficient people of working age able and willing to work our economy will not be sustained. Forcing the work-shy back to work is something I support, but it cannot be enough. Raising the retirement age to 75 might help more, but it would be more unpopular than immigration. Do you want to send the kids to work again? Immigration seems to me to be the only viable option. Tightly managed to exclude undesirables and ensure we get what is needed. Do that properly and many of the social problems are mitigated without having to take remedial actions later. The current management is poor and has been for a long time. This claim has been debunked so many times now I couldn't calculate it. The suggestion that the number of immigrants must be increased to satisfy a greater need to grow the economy is like someone trying to play Chess when they can only think one move ahead. Immigrants grow old too. What you suggest is literally a pyramid scheme, which requires ever greater numbers of immigrants to pay for everybody else. It's insane. Instead we are entering an age where automation will require far less of a workforce, not more.....but that seems to fly right over your head. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Your attempts to compare us with places like Japan and Singapore and suggest their experiences can be used as a model are nonsensical. They aren't us. Their location, culture, history and language are all so different to make any comparison meaningless. You are especially wrong about Japan. What you suggest might have been true 25 years ago, but not now. They face similar problems to us and are already quietly modifying what they do, even if it isn't what they say they do. Large numbers of Japanese recruitment agents setting up in Philippine cities tells its own story. The guy who says that white people don't exist and that only the human race exists....the same guy now makes the point that we can't replicate the Japanese because we aren't them. But apparently we can welcome the world into our country and eventually everything is going to be just fine. Caught like a fish in your own net old bean. Once again, immigration into Japan is tiny and it is vastly Asian. They do not want what you want and no one can blame them.....like the video I linked to the other day showing a Korean bar with its good unguarded....south east Asian cultures tend to low crime and high social cohesion.....it's not an accident. The very opposite of what your politics leads to. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I stopped being employed 22 years ago, then owned 2 businesses of my own before retiring here in 2015 after a cancer diagnosis at the age of 66. So a long working life, which to a degree continues with my letting business. I expect to still be contributing to society when I reach 80 next year. You are an ex-teacher and presumably much younger than me. What have you done since stopping teaching? Well, I'm not on the dole, but frankly what I do isn't your business. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 May 2023 11.00pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 May 23 11.05pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
How very (wrongly) presumptuous of you......anyway, I had you down as more of a 'go to work on an egg' man, but I suppose at your age you need the bran. Didn't mean any offence, only that you might not recognise the old advert! No eggs for me. Quick and easy bowl of cereal.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Jun 23 12.10am | |
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So now we have another long and tedious post at 10.52 that nobody but me will even bother to skim read, as it is almost entirely directed at one person. I suppose if it keeps you occupied there is something to be said for it. I'll just pick up on a few choice statements that demonstrate why the attitude on display is so offensive. No for the first time, you refer to "white" ethnicity as though it is a thing. It isn't. There are many ethnic groups with European ancestry and even more with shared ancestry. This type of language and attitude is resonant of that used by some extremely unpleasant people and it's sad to see it proclaimed here. You keep on stating that my opinion on immigration is somehow related to my politics when it has nothing to do with it. My attitude is only based on a common sense answer to a very real problem. We face a shortage of working-age people. If in the future we don't because automation has released sufficient people into the workplace to do the jobs that automation cannot, then we adopt another approach. When change happens we react to it. Now and in the future. Sure any folk who remain here will get old and need to be cared for. But will they and should they? Those who settle, integrate and become British deserve to be rewarded. Those seeking enough money to build a home in their country of origin less so. We can have a debate about how we treat those arriving on work visas, but not on the need for them to be here now. I've explained why I moved here so many times that I won't do it again. If it's not penetrated your prejudice by now it never will. I am not the least surprised that you fail to see why the hypocritical boots are on your feet, but again there's little chance of that happening, so why try again. Brick walls hurt. I didn't say we aren't like the Japanese. I said we aren't Japan. Understand the difference? It's not just the culture and language. It's where both countries are in the world and the fact that most people speak some English and almost no one speaks Japanese. Once again immigration into Japan is much bigger than you seem to think it is and significantly bigger than the official figures. It's hidden under all sorts of special schemes. That though is only the starting point. They know they face a problem and accept that the use of imported labour must rise. It won't be classified as immigration, more like the German "guest worker, but it will happen. Be patient. You are talking through your rear end if you think that SE Asian countries are safer than the UK. Maybe parts of South Korea are. I have lived in SE Asia and one of the reasons I don't now is because of the crime. Murder is a common cause of death. I was a minute away from witnessing a shooting. One of our best friends was murdered. Guns are everywhere. Contract killers can be hired for £100, with little or no chance of police following up. Indeed they are sometimes the ones taking the contracts. Every shop has an armed guard on the door to stop thieves. Bag and phone snatchers are everywhere and there are neighbourhoods where you dare not enter after dark. Gangs fight turf wars over the right to sell drugs. Corruption exists at all levels of public life and justice is a joke. Nowhere in the UK, not even the most run-down inner-city area, compares. For sure what you are doing now is your business, but given the amount of time you spend here it really cannot be very much. I was merely pointing out that your jibes at me, and the various things I have done, and still do at 78 have, and are, contributing to society, and wondered if you would share how you do that. That you refuse risks another accusation of hypocrisy.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 01 Jun 23 2.56am | |
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A sea of nonsense in an ocean of delusion.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 01 Jun 23 4.39am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So now we have another long and tedious post at 10.52 that nobody but me will even bother to skim read, as it is almost entirely directed at one person. I suppose if it keeps you occupied there is something to be said for it. I'll just pick up on a few choice statements that demonstrate why the attitude on display is so offensive. No for the first time, you refer to "white" ethnicity as though it is a thing. It isn't. There are many ethnic groups with European ancestry and even more with shared ancestry. This type of language and attitude is resonant of that used by some extremely unpleasant people and it's sad to see it proclaimed here. You keep on stating that my opinion on immigration is somehow related to my politics when it has nothing to do with it. My attitude is only based on a common sense answer to a very real problem. We face a shortage of working-age people. If in the future we don't because automation has released sufficient people into the workplace to do the jobs that automation cannot, then we adopt another approach. When change happens we react to it. Now and in the future. Sure any folk who remain here will get old and need to be cared for. But will they and should they? Those who settle, integrate and become British deserve to be rewarded. Those seeking enough money to build a home in their country of origin less so. We can have a debate about how we treat those arriving on work visas, but not on the need for them to be here now. I've explained why I moved here so many times that I won't do it again. If it's not penetrated your prejudice by now it never will. I am not the least surprised that you fail to see why the hypocritical boots are on your feet, but again there's little chance of that happening, so why try again. Brick walls hurt. I didn't say we aren't like the Japanese. I said we aren't Japan. Understand the difference? It's not just the culture and language. It's where both countries are in the world and the fact that most people speak some English and almost no one speaks Japanese. Once again immigration into Japan is much bigger than you seem to think it is and significantly bigger than the official figures. It's hidden under all sorts of special schemes. That though is only the starting point. They know they face a problem and accept that the use of imported labour must rise. It won't be classified as immigration, more like the German "guest worker, but it will happen. Be patient. You are talking through your rear end if you think that SE Asian countries are safer than the UK. Maybe parts of South Korea are. I have lived in SE Asia and one of the reasons I don't now is because of the crime. Murder is a common cause of death. I was a minute away from witnessing a shooting. One of our best friends was murdered. Guns are everywhere. Contract killers can be hired for £100, with little or no chance of police following up. Indeed they are sometimes the ones taking the contracts. Every shop has an armed guard on the door to stop thieves. Bag and phone snatchers are everywhere and there are neighbourhoods where you dare not enter after dark. Gangs fight turf wars over the right to sell drugs. Corruption exists at all levels of public life and justice is a joke. Nowhere in the UK, not even the most run-down inner-city area, compares. For sure what you are doing now is your business, but given the amount of time you spend here it really cannot be very much. I was merely pointing out that your jibes at me, and the various things I have done, and still do at 78 have, and are, contributing to society, and wondered if you would share how you do that. That you refuse risks another accusation of hypocrisy. SE Asian countries? which would they be then? Singapore and Malaysia for example, you are saying that criminality is the same in those countries as say, the Philippines ,which is absolute nonsense.Vietnam is nothing like you describe, nor is Thailand or Brunei.I was last in Indonesia pre covid and then and the many times I have been there it was nothing like you describe. Edited by HKOwen (01 Jun 2023 7.16am)
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georgenorman 01 Jun 23 7.38am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No for the first time, you refer to "white" ethnicity as though it is a thing. It isn't. There are many ethnic groups with European ancestry and even more with shared ancestry. This type of language and attitude is resonant of that used by some extremely unpleasant people and it's sad to see it proclaimed here. Of course it is a 'thing'. When you fill in various forms there is often a list of ethnicities to choose from, 'white' is usual the first in the list. Then you go on to imply that using the word 'white' in relation to ethnicity is somehow racist!
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