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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 01 Mar 23 12.51pm | |
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and Hancock's refusal to have people going into Care Homes tested, did not mention lack of testing capacity or testing capability. Just the results might "muddy the waters". Or, put another way, might make the Government look bad. In the event, they look like complete idiots for over-ruling the science. "In one message, dated 14 April, Mr Hancock reportedly told aides that Prof Sir Chris Whitty, the chief medial officer for England, had conducted an "evidence review" and recommended "testing of all going into care homes, and segregation whilst awaiting result". The message came a day before the publication of Covid-19: Our Action Plan for Adult Social Care, a government document setting out plans to keep the care system functioning during the pandemic. Mr Hancock said the advice represented a "good positive step" and that "we must put into the doc", to which an aide responded that he had sent the request "to action". But later the same day, Mr Hancock messaged again saying he would rather "leave out" a commitment to test everyone entering care homes from the community and "just commit to test & isolate ALL going into care from hospital". "I do not think the community commitment adds anything and it muddies the waters," he said. (BBC website, 1.3.23)
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eaglesdare 01 Mar 23 1.31pm | |
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Originally posted by The groover
So the fact that Johnson admitted that was b****x after he got it and ended up in hospital and almost died is forgotten then. Just his initial 'billy big b****x' comment. Herd immunity does not always work. Polio, TB, German measles, mumps to name just a few. What about Ebola? We going to go with that narrative if that makes it over here? Firstly Johnson was admitted to hospital as a precaution. He had a 99.9 percent survival chance and did not die. And covid is little more than a common cold so you cant have it in the same brackets as Ebola, polio, mumps and all that!
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Stirlingsays 01 Mar 23 2.10pm | |
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Originally posted by The groover
So the fact that Johnson admitted that was b****x after he got it and ended up in hospital and almost died is forgotten then. Just his initial 'billy big b****x' comment. Herd immunity does not always work. Polio, TB, German measles, mumps to name just a few. What about Ebola? We going to go with that narrative if that makes it over here?
But it does work. The diseases you mention were most definitely combated by herd immunity, that's why you still exist. A vaccine is a defanged version to train the very best response an immune system can provide. However, for respiratory illness they have always been rather crap at that level of protection and to be honest I'm not even sure that what's been provided even fits what should be called a vaccine. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Mar 2023 2.15pm)
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Stirlingsays 01 Mar 23 2.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You are, at least, predictable! Since when did 2+2=10? That the origins of the Covid 19 pandemic were in a lab incident in Wuhan was always a reasonable possibility. Even a casual observer could have worked that out. That was never the issue. The issue was stating it as a fact, and not a possibility. What was worse was vloggers going further and suggesting that releasing it was a deliberate act. When other causes existed, and still exist because China hasn't confirmed anything, speculation remains unwise. Being likely isn't confirmation. It's a working hypothesis. Trump wasn't right. He picked up the possibility and politicised it to suit his own agenda. That was irresponsible. He foresaw the effect the pandemic would have on his Presidency and wanted to shift the blame. It was, and remains, entirely appropriate that those spreading speculation to support an agenda were taken to task. Not because they might have been right, but because when nobody was sure, caution was required. A similar thing is happening today with the release of some Matt Hancock messages on testing in care homes. This is Brexit level misinformation being spread around to support an agenda. This is quite incredible. Talk about a selective memory. The mainstream media banned people from mentioning this very thing. What you correctly say a casual observer could have worked out was greeted with scientific denials from the very gods you are in permanent praise of. Once again, those people supposedly in basements were spreading the truth while the establishment were spreading misinformation and banning and punishing people for the truth. Then here is you going back to saying the fecking obvious is a 'working hypothesis'....Really? In that case so is this chair I'm sitting on. As for Trump? Seriously you're going to waffle on about Trump?
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HKOwen Hong Kong 01 Mar 23 8.45pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Firstly Johnson was admitted to hospital as a precaution. He had a 99.9 percent survival chance and did not die. And covid is little more than a common cold so you cant have it in the same brackets as Ebola, polio, mumps and all that! It may manifest as a cold in minor cases, I had cold like symptoms with a sore throat for a few days, but for many, especially in the early days it was very serious and often fatal. Only after treatments improved and vaccines that mitigated symptoms appeared did the overall situation improve.
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becky over the moon 01 Mar 23 9.29pm | |
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Here's an interesting thing that someone on here may be able to shed some light on... Today, after several months of ill health, surgery and various subsequent investigations, I got a letter from the NHS advising me that they are sending me a pack of Rapid Lateral Flow tests, and that if I feel any Covid symptoms I am to test for up to 3 consecutive days (if first and subsequent tests are negative and I still feel unwell), as I have been deemed eligible for treatment for Covid if I should contract it. What the heck is that all about and what is this undefined treatment, I wonder? As a totally unvaccinated person (medical reasons) should I even be eligible?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 23 10.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
This is quite incredible. Talk about a selective memory. The mainstream media banned people from mentioning this very thing. What you correctly say a casual observer could have worked out was greeted with scientific denials from the very gods you are in permanent praise of. Once again, those people supposedly in basements were spreading the truth while the establishment were spreading misinformation and banning and punishing people for the truth. Then here is you going back to saying the fecking obvious is a 'working hypothesis'....Really? In that case so is this chair I'm sitting on. As for Trump? Seriously you're going to waffle on about Trump? This made me smile! You are not only predicable. You are also consistent. Consistently wrong. You are as one eyed as a Cyclopes. The mainstream media didn't "ban" anything. The MSM is very diverse, and I remember these theories being covered along with others. No-body knew then, just as no-body knows now. That the FBI have speculated doesn't mean it's true. There are lots of possibilities held by a variety of people, including other US agencies. Of course, that doesn't stop you and your like, trumpeting it as the "truth" just because it matches your prejudices. I suggest you read this report, which is both fair and objective. Don't dismiss it just because of its source:- So all you are doing now is what the basement boys did in 2020. Jumping on a theory and promoting as the "truth". It just isn't. It's possibly true. Cryst raised Trump, not me. You agreed with him. I responded because he jumped on, and spread this theory as though it was fact, which gave it authenticity in some minds, yours included it seems.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 23 10.18pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
Here's an interesting thing that someone on here may be able to shed some light on... Today, after several months of ill health, surgery and various subsequent investigations, I got a letter from the NHS advising me that they are sending me a pack of Rapid Lateral Flow tests, and that if I feel any Covid symptoms I am to test for up to 3 consecutive days (if first and subsequent tests are negative and I still feel unwell), as I have been deemed eligible for treatment for Covid if I should contract it. What the heck is that all about and what is this undefined treatment, I wonder? As a totally unvaccinated person (medical reasons) should I even be eligible? I believe there are some drugs/therapies now available, and/or being trialled, which are designed to help the immune suppressed recover from Covid. A friend of mine, who is also vulnerable, has a number to call should she test positive. As we had lunch together last Sunday with another who today tested positive, she is concerned. Take care. There appears to be quite a lot of infections again locally here, so I am hoping we aren't seeing a new variant and the next wave.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 23 10.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
and Hancock's refusal to have people going into Care Homes tested, did not mention lack of testing capacity or testing capability. Just the results might "muddy the waters". Or, put another way, might make the Government look bad. In the event, they look like complete idiots for over-ruling the science. "In one message, dated 14 April, Mr Hancock reportedly told aides that Prof Sir Chris Whitty, the chief medial officer for England, had conducted an "evidence review" and recommended "testing of all going into care homes, and segregation whilst awaiting result". The message came a day before the publication of Covid-19: Our Action Plan for Adult Social Care, a government document setting out plans to keep the care system functioning during the pandemic. Mr Hancock said the advice represented a "good positive step" and that "we must put into the doc", to which an aide responded that he had sent the request "to action". But later the same day, Mr Hancock messaged again saying he would rather "leave out" a commitment to test everyone entering care homes from the community and "just commit to test & isolate ALL going into care from hospital". "I do not think the community commitment adds anything and it muddies the waters," he said. (BBC website, 1.3.23) There are other considerations alongside "listening to the science". The lack of a proven, high volume testing regime would have been understood in government, but announcing that to the general public could have caused panic and made the situation worse. Managing the announcements in a way that promoted disciplined behaviour and the least bad outcome made sense when in uncharted waters. We really need for the enquiry to look at all the facts in their context, rather than a drip feed of selected tid bits intended to support an agenda and sell newspapers. Criticising the slowness of the enquiry is justified. Trying to second guess its findings is not. Apparently Matt Hancock is considering legal action over this. You don't do that lightly.
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Mapletree Croydon 01 Mar 23 10.38pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Firstly Johnson was admitted to hospital as a precaution. He had a 99.9 percent survival chance and did not die. And covid is little more than a common cold so you cant have it in the same brackets as Ebola, polio, mumps and all that! You have no idea. There are some on this site very close to the action. He was in BIG trouble, very close to pegging it.
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Mapletree Croydon 01 Mar 23 10.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There are other considerations alongside "listening to the science". The lack of a proven, high volume testing regime would have been understood in government, but announcing that to the general public could have caused panic and made the situation worse. Managing the announcements in a way that promoted disciplined behaviour and the least bad outcome made sense when in uncharted waters. We really need for the enquiry to look at all the facts in their context, rather than a drip feed of selected tid bits intended to support an agenda and sell newspapers. Criticising the slowness of the enquiry is justified. Trying to second guess its findings is not. Apparently Matt Hancock is considering legal action over this. You don't do that lightly. I ‘consider’ legal action quite often. For example when someone doesn’t pick up their dog poo.
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Mapletree Croydon 01 Mar 23 10.44pm | |
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The issue was and is that a decision was taken to empty hospitals in a hurry, knowing that tests weren’t yet properly available. That, literally, signed thousands of death warrants as all us care home managers knew we would receive multiple people with infections. As we didn’t have nursing my homes were spared. Every care home with nursing effectively was sacrificed to help the hospitals. In the event that was not actually necessary, there proved to be enough hospital capacity. But we were left counting our dead.
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