Why is a change of mind or direction by any politician labelled as " screeching humiliating U turn ".

How about being pleased that poor ideas are not effected.

When Starmer acknowledges that a woman is an adult female I won't be accusing him of a screeching u turn.

Most of the " mini budget " is not is dispute and would be similarly implemented by Labour. The 45p tax was a naive addition at the wrong time. You could probably make a good case that would be cost neutral or even positive but in the current climate it is an issue people don't want to hear logic about and plays into Labour's class division strategy.

Similarly the lift of the EU cap on bonuses, this never educed bankers' incomes only the split between salary and bonus. Having more highly paid people paying more tax into the UK, only a rabid ideologue would not see the logic, but again, the optics are bad as the current definition of " banker " is some kind of mass murdering demon.

Labour will be gutted if the plan produces some results which for the good of the country I hope it does.

Edited by HKOwen (04 Oct 2022 1.40am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Which of course is the dilemma for the voter. Although the current opposition is considerably more polished than the Corbyn rabble, they remain Labour.

Starmer has around 2 years to convert his party into a centrist entity, that courts the City and the media and expels the Corbynista loons, to ensure a clear working majority after the next election. He won't succeed and might not even attempt that. Yet, given the loss of Scotland to the SNP, it isn't enough to be Not-the-Tory-Party.

So the electorate will be faced with a party that has proved itself wholly incompetent to rule; and a party that is probably just as bad but is not them.

In terms of choice, we are back to the row of portaloos 3 days into Glastonbury.

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I predicted much the same thing in another thread immediately Truss.announced she was really going ahead with her daft plan and not modifying the timetable in response to the new situation. I said she could end up as the shortest serving PM to be dumped by her own party.

Unlike you I think it could be a good thing if it brings some stability and results in the Tories resetting and moving back to the middle. They won’t win again unless they do. Labour is not the answer, so the alternative will likely be a succession of coalitions and the eventual break up of the UK.

My hope would be that at some point we will see voting reform and the emergence of a new centre party, but that’s just a hope, not a prediction.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I have dipped in and out of this thread without taking too much notice of the arguments and counter arguments folk have put forward. Although I know there's been a fair amount of criticism of the new Prime Minister and I understand that.

The Tories have messed up big time with their leadership shenanigans, neither of the final two, Sunak or Truss, commanded a sense of authority or charisma that we would hope for. Boris had his faults, but at least he was characterful.

As far as the PM is concerned, she has had one of the toughest starts to her new job. Two days after she was officially asked to form a government QE2 passed. Since then she had to undertake all manner of formal duties related to the queen's sudden demise. Frankly it's not surprising that some of the decisions concerning the mini budget needed to be reviewed. The relentless, left wing media attacks constantly attempt to undermine, not only her, but the Conservative party as a whole.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

The queens passing actually made her start easier, as she was told what to do and only followed orders, giving her time to bed in under regimental command, and time to plan her government duties- god knows how bad things would have got without that initial 2 week bedding in time!

You have a vivid imagination Pincher, turning a she had an easy 2 weeks to bed in, under the turmoil, into she was being a CONservative! What on earth are you talking about? How did she act any different to the Labour, Liberal, or SNP leaders?