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The groover Danbury 27 Jul 23 5.54pm | |
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I've been doing some number crunching re. Solar panels. I worked out that having enough panels to give a decent number of hours in the winter months would mean there being a massive excess from spring to autumn. I came to the conclusion that enough panels to give enough electricity during spring to autumn and batteries that would provide cover for those winter months would be the best way to go. I've installed underfloor electric heating in two rooms and now have 3 electric rads and rest are boiler rads. I believe this will mean using only overnight rates for 90% of the time. It will also reduce my gas usage as the electric underfloor heating and electric rads will reduce the need for the boiler. In terms of heat pumps, unless the property is a new build the required modifications will make them uneconomical. Plus as has been said unless they are the type that sources heat from below ground, they don't work under 4 degrees c.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 27 Jul 23 10.13pm | |
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Originally posted by The groover
I've been doing some number crunching re. Solar panels. I worked out that having enough panels to give a decent number of hours in the winter months would mean there being a massive excess from spring to autumn. I came to the conclusion that enough panels to give enough electricity during spring to autumn and batteries that would provide cover for those winter months would be the best way to go. I've installed underfloor electric heating in two rooms and now have 3 electric rads and rest are boiler rads. I believe this will mean using only overnight rates for 90% of the time. It will also reduce my gas usage as the electric underfloor heating and electric rads will reduce the need for the boiler. In terms of heat pumps, unless the property is a new build the required modifications will make them uneconomical. Plus as has been said unless they are the type that sources heat from below ground, they don't work under 4 degrees c. Finally some sense Battery storage is going to be massively important as part of the energy mix yes. Your example is a good one. Isn’t the octopus cheaper 4 hour rate for EVs only though? Thought you had to prove you had an EV and a 7kw charger to get it. Heat pumps spot on. This is why they will only make sense for new builds and or legacy properties that are sufficiently insulated.
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cryrst The garden of England 27 Jul 23 10.32pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Finally some sense Battery storage is going to be massively important as part of the energy mix yes. Your example is a good one. Isn’t the octopus cheaper 4 hour rate for EVs only though? Thought you had to prove you had an EV and a 7kw charger to get it. Heat pumps spot on. This is why they will only make sense for new builds and or legacy properties that are sufficiently insulated. Legacy properties are still not insulated enough and digging up a floor for underfloor heating is not at all practical. Your heating will be max 50*c. Have you got the space for k4 rads or 1.5 x longer than the current ones you have. ( you as in anyone btw) also replacing all of your pipework. If hmg is sooo worried why not make it law or fit all this for free, and give EV cars for free and upgrade our power supply for free and and and….
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 27 Jul 23 11.43pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Legacy properties are still not insulated enough and digging up a floor for underfloor heating is not at all practical. Your heating will be max 50*c. Have you got the space for k4 rads or 1.5 x longer than the current ones you have. ( you as in anyone btw) also replacing all of your pipework. If hmg is sooo worried why not make it law or fit all this for free, and give EV cars for free and upgrade our power supply for free and and and…. Jesus wept. How drunk are you exactly? Let me repeat what I said for you ‘Legacy properties that are sufficiently insulated’ ie those that have been renovated to the appropriate standard (of which there are plenty), or newer properties in the 10-20 years old range (of which there are plenty) that also conform to the standard. Also your point regarding underfloor being impractical only applies if you are not already renovating and extending a property. Otherwise it’s a no brainer. More throwaway dross As already stated, banning gas boilers is for the birds. Everyone else who can’t move to heat pumps will remain on gas (or convert to electric at the point of energy becoming cheaper towards the end of the transition) for many many years to come, the remainder will be upgraded or renovated up to standard over time. It helps to read the context of a thread before posting.
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cryrst The garden of England 28 Jul 23 5.41am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Jesus wept. How drunk are you exactly? Let me repeat what I said for you ‘Legacy properties that are sufficiently insulated’ ie those that have been renovated to the appropriate standard (of which there are plenty), or newer properties in the 10-20 years old range (of which there are plenty) that also conform to the standard. Also your point regarding underfloor being impractical only applies if you are not already renovating and extending a property. Otherwise it’s a no brainer. More throwaway dross As already stated, banning gas boilers is for the birds. Everyone else who can’t move to heat pumps will remain on gas (or convert to electric at the point of energy becoming cheaper towards the end of the transition) for many many years to come, the remainder will be upgraded or renovated up to standard over time. It helps to read the context of a thread before posting. So giving the actual figures of heat pumps and their operation isn’t worth mentioning then. Are you personally allowing gas boilers to stay then as the SNP didn’t get the memo !
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HKOwen Hong Kong 28 Jul 23 11.02pm | |
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Europe seems plagued with an outbreak of arsonists, is that due to carbon emissions affecting behaviour? Same problem not prevalent in India or China.
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Wilesy01 Bristol 28 Jul 23 11.17pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Europe seems plagued with an outbreak of arsonists, is that due to carbon emissions affecting behaviour? Same problem not prevalent in India or China. And the extraordinarily hot and dry weather conditions don't exacerbate arson to disastrous consequences? Plenty of arsonists in the UK but the fires don't spread as it's been pissing it down all month. What an odd comment.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 28 Jul 23 11.43pm | |
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The proximate cause of many of the fires is arson is my point. The main sources of carbon emissions are China, India and the USA. The Yosemite park fire was caused by a recently convicted arsonist so in that case a main emitter did have a serious arson. My post was not meant to be taken verbatim but as an observation on the difference between climatic effect facts and climatic effect fiction. Of course hot and dry conditions effect the spread of fire as they have done since the first fire .
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cryrst The garden of England 29 Jul 23 5.43am | |
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Originally posted by Wilesy01
And the extraordinarily hot and dry weather conditions don't exacerbate arson to disastrous consequences? Plenty of arsonists in the UK but the fires don't spread as it's been pissing it down all month. What an odd comment. They arnt that extraordinarily hot if you look back more than five minutes. 50 years ago Europe had a hotter, longer period of weather with less fires. Just maybe nature doesn’t always start them !
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PalazioVecchio south pole 29 Jul 23 8.57am | |
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Hairy Scottish Historian Neil Oliver. He seems to think the whole 'Climate Emergency' is little more than a blatant Power-grab from the Elites. And most of the time his arguments are well couched in History. Edited by PalazioVecchio (29 Jul 2023 9.19am)
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Wilesy01 Bristol 29 Jul 23 9.24am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
They arnt that extraordinarily hot if you look back more than five minutes. 50 years ago Europe had a hotter, longer period of weather with less fires. Just maybe nature doesn’t always start them ! Did you miss the news that this July has been the hottest on record? Or the records broken in Europe for consecutive days over 40 degrees? Or that these records are being consistently broken almost year on year? Arson greatly exacerbates the consequences of climate change. I can't quite understand people who are trying to use it to suggest there is no issue in the first place.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 29 Jul 23 11.01am | |
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Originally posted by Wilesy01
Did you miss the news that this July has been the hottest on record? Or the records broken in Europe for consecutive days over 40 degrees? Or that these records are being consistently broken almost year on year? Dinosaurs once wandered lush tropical lands that are now a frozen tundra. Climate change is a normal part of History. The Netherlands of Peter Bruegal paintings is a frozen World compared to the Netherlands of today. The Amstel & the Thames used to freeze over. We can all agree the Climate is changing. We cannot agree on it being the end of the World.
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