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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Feb 22 10.36am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So football should be included in that? I must say that in his position, I might have kept a low profile, but he has to earn a living somehow. Ex Teachers and Doctors have to earn a living as well, sorry that route should be closed.
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Stirlingsays 04 Feb 22 10.55am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Ex Teachers and Doctors have to earn a living as well, sorry that route should be closed. Again, this is an awkward topic to talk about because if feels like you're defending sex offences because I'm most definitely not. I'm just mentioning that this can also be a bit grey and awkward....what about professors? I mean there are long standing marriages in the US that you'd have to break up and throw the professor in jail. And are we really saying that a Doctor can't ever marry a patient? Shouldn't there be some kind of time limit or age gap aspect to it? We want to protect the underaged not stop adults from making normal decisions in life. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Feb 2022 10.56am)
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Feb 22 11.01am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Ex Teachers and Doctors have to earn a living as well, sorry that route should be closed. So you think he should not play football because that lead directly to his alleged offence? Remember that as horrible as he may be, he was found innocent by a court of law.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Feb 22 11.02am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Again, this is an awkward topic to talk about because if feels like you're defending sex offences because I'm most definitely not. I'm just mentioning that this can also be a bit grey and awkward....what about professors? I mean there are long standing marriages in the US that you'd have to break up and throw the professor in jail. And are we really saying that a Doctor can't ever marry a patient? Shouldn't there be some kind of time limit or age gap aspect to it? We want to protect the underaged not stop adults from making normal decisions in life. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Feb 2022 10.56am) My uncle was a professor in the Midlands in England. He started going out with a woman (in her forties with children) who was a student. He was forced to resign. He married her.
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Stirlingsays 04 Feb 22 11.04am | |
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Why would we stop at Teacher and Doctor. Pretty much every job has a power dynamic about it. Every boss or supervisor in every profession could be seen as exploiting any staff they had a relationship with. In some cases that'll be true, in others not. In 'Love Actually' the PM bangs a cleaner.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Feb 22 11.07am | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
My uncle was a professor in the Midlands in England. He started going out with a woman (in her forties with children) who was a student. He was forced to resign. He married her. I see no issue with consensual relationships between adults. How much control do you want institutions to have over our lives?
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Stirlingsays 04 Feb 22 11.10am | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
My uncle was a professor in the Midlands in England. He started going out with a woman (in her forties with children) who was a student. He was forced to resign. He married her. I think once someone is overaged is gets more complex. I agree, that, even though the age factor is covered, you can't really be sexually involved with someone who you are also marking as that's a clear conflict of interest...so at the least you move the student....sacking them....For me it depends upon the circumstances...because I wouldn't be forcing a resignation in that first case you mentioned. Like I say, bosses marry staff all the time, I'm not really that sure how it's that different. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Feb 2022 1.02pm)
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Stirlingsays 04 Feb 22 11.31am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I see no issue with consensual relationships between adults. How much control do you want institutions to have over our lives? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Feb 2022 11.14am) I agree. I think in the urge to protect the vulnerable, which we all obviously agree with, they threw a blanket over some professions while leaving the majority free....Examples of exploitation don't stop at profession A but not profession B.....If a Doctor can't marry an adult patient why can a politician marry staff or indeed a constituent. It's kind of unworkable. I think some of these laws are emotion led when you'd hope that some nuance and common sense was involved. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Feb 2022 11.32am)
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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Feb 22 12.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So you think he should not play football because that lead directly to his alleged offence? Remember that as horrible as he may be, he was found innocent by a court of law. For the second time I am making a general point about convicted sex offenders or if you like a person who is on the Sex offenders list being banned from being a teacher / doctor / scout leader then why not being a footballer where they do come in contact with young people.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Feb 22 12.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I see no issue with consensual relationships between adults. How much control do you want institutions to have over our lives?
I don't want institutions having any control over our lives. However, this was well before all the wokeness these days and was in the contract and, obviously, guidelines. I don't agree with a blanket law, but if an institution takes you on, you sign the contract, you breach it, that's on you. In the case of teachers and students, of all levels, I agree with that.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Feb 22 12.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
For the second time I am making a general point about convicted sex offenders or if you like a person who is on the Sex offenders list being banned from being a teacher / doctor / scout leader then why not being a footballer where they do come in contact with young people. OK, I get it. I just wonder what occupations would be acceptable, since interaction with other people of all ages is rather common.
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Teddy Eagle 04 Feb 22 12.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
OK, I get it. I just wonder what occupations would be acceptable, since interaction with other people of all ages is rather common. Politician?
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