Khan should be ashamed of himself Sir David did not "pass away" as he states. He was brutally murdered by one of Khan's muslim brotherhood. He is a despicable little man who thinks he is better than the rest. Along with Abbott, Lammy, Rayner and the rest of the left wing cabal.

As a country we have lurched far to far on the PC, woke, BLM et al agenda. Sponsored by the BBC, Sky and all of the left wing media.

Yes I am a Daily Mail reader but I am also English and proud to be so and I do not want my country to be dragged into the hell this lot would bring.

Rant over and I feel better for it.

I am enjoying being back at Selhurst and having a beer with my mates just like we have done for the past 40 years. Through Thick and thin we stick with our club. Not chairman, players or managers, OUR CLUB!

If that's passing away I don't want to know what a bad way to go looks like.

make a list of muslim countries with a good track record on ....

- the tolerance of gays ( and their human rights )
- freedom of speech

- freedom of religion ( or the ability to be an atheist without getting murdered )
- animal rights

- womens rights

- polygamy

etc etc. You have basically said ''not all muslims are like that'' ....my reply, all muslim countries are.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

The problem is that there are certain realities that we have to face and deal with, rather than wishlist.

Immigration policies can be looked at (but since when does government listen to concerns there, even post Brexit). In addition there's freedom of speech, so regardless of what we feel about peoples beliefs as long as they stay with the law, they are free to their opinions. Where people go too far, there's both plenty of successes, but also unfortunately plausible deniability of intent, for those who are on the radar of PREVENT and the like. Still, in any demographic the vast majority of people are peaceful.

Working from where we are, improving community relations, combined with increased infiltration both online and offline of groups that form part of the patchwork of a path to warped ideologies would be useful. I'm sure we're already doing both to some extent.

Beyond that we need to take another look at social media. Many of that accounts stoking societal division aren't even in this country or from people who even hold those beliefs anyway. They're looking to pick at other cultures faultlines. The especially tribal become so linear and limited in thought and nomenclature that it's hardly difficult to emulate, yet still acts to indoctrinate.

Sharia courts are a bad idea as they firm up the insular idea with people that they can be part of a country but adhere to their own laws or customs.. and gradually expect others to follow. We see this kind of backward behaviour outside of schools where there are serious threats due to the teaching of same sex relationships, and where there are images of Mohammad shown. And crimes that clearly have in part an 'us and them' religious basis. It's fine to be accepting of faiths, but not to the point of, through fear, kowtowing to societies that are unhealthily restrictive.

Edited by BlueJay (20 Oct 2021 5.41pm)

Well, according to that devout muslim and expert in islamic terrorism, Anjem Choudary, it was because he was a member of the Conservative party and supportive of Israel.

Edited by georgenorman (20 Oct 2021 5.26pm)

Is that what he said? That's a laugh. The man has put enough hatred and bile out into the world that even if you sewed his mouth shut he'd unfortunately still be inspiration for future misery and murderous acts.