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Mwncisee Middlesbrough 21 Jul 20 1.05pm
Originally posted by MonsterMunch I get where you are coming from however, as a fan I can comment and discuss on a fans message board about the performances of my club. Making decisions that affect the club and its direction of travel sits solely with the professionals enlisted within the club. You would hope that our recruitment team and or owners may have a little more insight than many of us. For the record I would go with Dyche. A palace type I feel. Well we can agree on something if Roy goes I see the most realistic option as being Dyche too. I think SP likes him too. But given Dyche is unhappy about the lack of financing at Burnley I dont see why he would leave there for exactly the same problem here. I feel our underlying problems began with the US investors who came with much fanfare of how it would be good for the club but have under delivered and/or their financing was diverted to transfers to keep us in the Prem. Those decisions are now coming home to roost. (Personally I do not blame SP for those decisions as they were taken well intentionally). Edited by Mwncisee (21 Jul 2020 1.05pm)
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Mwncisee

Middlesbrough 21 Jul 20 1.05pm

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

I get where you are coming from however, as a fan I can comment and discuss on a fans message board about the performances of my club. Making decisions that affect the club and its direction of travel sits solely with the professionals enlisted within the club. You would hope that our recruitment team and or owners may have a little more insight than many of us.

For the record I would go with Dyche. A palace type I feel.

Well we can agree on something if Roy goes I see the most realistic option as being Dyche too. I think SP likes him too. But given Dyche is unhappy about the lack of financing at Burnley I dont see why he would leave there for exactly the same problem here.

I feel our underlying problems began with the US investors who came with much fanfare of how it would be good for the club but have under delivered and/or their financing was diverted to transfers to keep us in the Prem. Those decisions are now coming home to roost. (Personally I do not blame SP for those decisions as they were taken well intentionally).

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PatrickA London 21 Jul 20 2.16pm
This summer presents a conundrum for the club. We’re strongly linked with Ferguson (WBA), Gallagher (Chelsea - on loan at Swansea) and Eze (QPR). These are the type of young promising players that we should be seeking. In the light of the experience with Meyer, Sorloth and Riedewald there must be huge concerns whether Hodgson can be entrusted with the use and development of young players that join. Hodgson is very methodical in his approach and in general prefers working with experienced senior players who follow his instructions to the letter. If Hodgson stays a case could be made for more short term deals and loans of experienced players who at least he would utilise. Doesn’t move the club forward and is a short term measure, but do we really need to buy more young players that Hodgson won’t use.
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PatrickA

London 21 Jul 20 2.16pm

This summer presents a conundrum for the club.
We’re strongly linked with Ferguson (WBA), Gallagher (Chelsea - on loan at Swansea) and Eze (QPR).
These are the type of young promising players that we should be seeking.
In the light of the experience with Meyer, Sorloth and Riedewald there must be huge concerns whether Hodgson can be entrusted with the use and development of young players that join.
Hodgson is very methodical in his approach and in general prefers working with experienced senior players who follow his instructions to the letter.
If Hodgson stays a case could be made for more short term deals and loans of experienced players who at least he would utilise.
Doesn’t move the club forward and is a short term measure, but do we really need to buy more young players that Hodgson won’t use.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 21 Jul 20 2.24pm
Originally posted by PatrickA This summer presents a conundrum for the club. We’re strongly linked with Ferguson (WBA), Gallagher (Chelsea - on loan at Swansea) and Eze (QPR). These are the type of young promising players that we should be seeking. In the light of the experience with Meyer, Sorloth and Riedewald there must be huge concerns whether Hodgson can be entrusted with the use and development of young players that join. Hodgson is very methodical in his approach and in general prefers working with experienced senior players who follow his instructions to the letter. If Hodgson stays a case could be made for more short term deals and loans of experienced players who at least he would utilise. Doesn’t move the club forward and is a short term measure, but do we really need to buy more young players that Hodgson won’t use. [Link] Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 21 Jul 20 2.24pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

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Crystal_Clear Belfast 21 Jul 20 2.29pm
A couple of things to address here. Firstly, I would say that Meyer, Rieldewald and even Slowloth (with his goal exploits in Turkey) are not bad players, they are just not suited the the Premier League. The problem with giving Roy money, is that come the end of next season he probably will have retired. So any incoming manager is left with what he bought, and they could be ill suited for the new manager. Therefore if funds are going to be made available, which quite frankly I doubt, then a new manager is also required as well.
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Belfast 21 Jul 20 2.29pm

A couple of things to address here.

Firstly, I would say that Meyer, Rieldewald and even Slowloth (with his goal exploits in Turkey) are not bad players, they are just not suited the the Premier League.

The problem with giving Roy money, is that come the end of next season he probably will have retired. So any incoming manager is left with what he bought, and they could be ill suited for the new manager.

Therefore if funds are going to be made available, which quite frankly I doubt, then a new manager is also required as well.

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Eaglehamster Storrington 21 Jul 20 2.30pm
Whether Roy stays or not, Palace will be red hot favourites to be relegated next season and justifiably so. Let's face it, it doesn't look good. There is little time to plug all the holes in the squad, even if the funds were made available. I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.
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Storrington 21 Jul 20 2.30pm

Whether Roy stays or not, Palace will be red hot favourites to be relegated next season and justifiably so. Let's face it, it doesn't look good.

There is little time to plug all the holes in the squad, even if the funds were made available.

I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

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Mwncisee Middlesbrough 21 Jul 20 2.34pm
Originally posted by PatrickA This summer presents a conundrum for the club. We’re strongly linked with Ferguson (WBA), Gallagher (Chelsea - on loan at Swansea) and Eze (QPR). These are the type of young promising players that we should be seeking. In the light of the experience with Meyer, Sorloth and Riedewald there must be huge concerns whether Hodgson can be entrusted with the use and development of young players that join. Hodgson is very methodical in his approach and in general prefers working with experienced senior players who follow his instructions to the letter. If Hodgson stays a case could be made for more short term deals and loans of experienced players who at least he would utilise. Doesn’t move the club forward and is a short term measure, but do we really need to buy more young players that Hodgson won’t use. Agree with most of this. Think that's is the preferred way out I just have doubts over our ability as a club to deliver on supplying the fresh faces. The Ferguson deal has gone very quiet. In theory a free transfer but looks like we would have to pay 4 mill in compensation. He has been injured and although we were willing to pay 11mill in Jan I have a feeling that Covid will hit the transfer kitty and we are now not willing to risk 4 mill on him. Doesn't bode well for us to be able to pay more for any flair players. I seriously doubt we will sign anything other than a couple of token younger free squad players. Roy will have to do with what he has got next season.
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Mwncisee

Middlesbrough 21 Jul 20 2.34pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

Agree with most of this. Think that's is the preferred way out I just have doubts over our ability as a club to deliver on supplying the fresh faces. The Ferguson deal has gone very quiet. In theory a free transfer but looks like we would have to pay 4 mill in compensation. He has been injured and although we were willing to pay 11mill in Jan I have a feeling that Covid will hit the transfer kitty and we are now not willing to risk 4 mill on him. Doesn't bode well for us to be able to pay more for any flair players. I seriously doubt we will sign anything other than a couple of token younger free squad players. Roy will have to do with what he has got next season.

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HesHereHesThere Beckenham 21 Jul 20 2.37pm
In times of crisis leaders come to the fore....time to have a word on the mic Mr Parish and I don’t mean doing you’re own rendition of Rappers Delight...what’s your plan Mr Chairman to get us out of this s***?
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In times of crisis leaders come to the fore....time to have a word on the mic Mr Parish and I don’t mean doing you’re own rendition of Rappers Delight...what’s your plan Mr Chairman to get us out of this s***?

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Mwncisee Middlesbrough 21 Jul 20 2.42pm
Originally posted by HesHereHesThere In times of crisis leaders come to the fore....time to have a word on the mic Mr Parish and I don’t mean doing you’re own rendition of Rappers Delight...what’s your plan Mr Chairman to get us out of this s***? This with bells on. I really would like to hear the reality of what our finances are like as reading the tea leaves it looks bleak and where we are in reality with our investors. If fans knew the situation I think it is more likely they would get behind Roy and the players. A bit of humility rather than silence would go a long way.
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Middlesbrough 21 Jul 20 2.42pm

Originally posted by HesHereHesThere

This with bells on. I really would like to hear the reality of what our finances are like as reading the tea leaves it looks bleak and where we are in reality with our investors. If fans knew the situation I think it is more likely they would get behind Roy and the players. A bit of humility rather than silence would go a long way.

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radicalsteve ottawa 21 Jul 20 2.44pm
I wrote this post in August 2017: "Interesting perspective on our American friends. I was very underwhelmed when they announced the 50M investment. The two teams they are associated with (Flyers and 76ers) have excelled in mediocrity for years. Since I live in Canada, I get to see the Flyers regularly and its not very impressive or exciting compared to those teams investing and building a winning formula. These two operators are not the kind of folk I would have chosen as investors who would support a winning team. I wonder if they have more say or force in the conversation than their equity would suggest they should. Apparently they are not shy to express their views and of course they are soccer experts! Board shenanigans we will not see - but I wonder what is going on in those transatlantic calls." The problems with the squad and manager begin and end in the boardroom .... we have lousy owners who have a track record of only being interested the returns on their equity. Of course, CPFC is a business like anything else, but there will be no passion for success from the Yanks and they probably have Parish's nuts in a vice!
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ottawa 21 Jul 20 2.44pm

I wrote this post in August 2017:
"Interesting perspective on our American friends. I was very underwhelmed when they announced the 50M investment. The two teams they are associated with (Flyers and 76ers) have excelled in mediocrity for years. Since I live in Canada, I get to see the Flyers regularly and its not very impressive or exciting compared to those teams investing and building a winning formula. These two operators are not the kind of folk I would have chosen as investors who would support a winning team. I wonder if they have more say or force in the conversation than their equity would suggest they should. Apparently they are not shy to express their views and of course they are soccer experts! Board shenanigans we will not see - but I wonder what is going on in those transatlantic calls."

The problems with the squad and manager begin and end in the boardroom .... we have lousy owners who have a track record of only being interested the returns on their equity. Of course, CPFC is a business like anything else, but there will be no passion for success from the Yanks and they probably have Parish's nuts in a vice!

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A1969Eagle Redhill 21 Jul 20 2.51pm
"Why put off tomorrow, when its needed today" Originally posted by Crystal_Clear A couple of things to address here. Firstly, I would say that Meyer, Rieldewald and even Slowloth (with his goal exploits in Turkey) are not bad players, they are just not suited the the Premier League. The problem with giving Roy money, is that come the end of next season he probably will have retired. So any incoming manager is left with what he bought, and they could be ill suited for the new manager. Therefore if funds are going to be made available, which quite frankly I doubt, then a new manager is also required as well.
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Redhill 21 Jul 20 2.51pm

"Why put off tomorrow, when its needed today"

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

A couple of things to address here.

Firstly, I would say that Meyer, Rieldewald and even Slowloth (with his goal exploits in Turkey) are not bad players, they are just not suited the the Premier League.

Therefore if funds are going to be made available, which quite frankly I doubt, then a new manager is also required as well.

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Mwncisee Middlesbrough 21 Jul 20 2.56pm
Originally posted by radicalsteve I wrote this post in August 2017: "Interesting perspective on our American friends. I was very underwhelmed when they announced the 50M investment. The two teams they are associated with (Flyers and 76ers) have excelled in mediocrity for years. Since I live in Canada, I get to see the Flyers regularly and its not very impressive or exciting compared to those teams investing and building a winning formula. These two operators are not the kind of folk I would have chosen as investors who would support a winning team. I wonder if they have more say or force in the conversation than their equity would suggest they should. Apparently they are not shy to express their views and of course they are soccer experts! Board shenanigans we will not see - but I wonder what is going on in those transatlantic calls." The problems with the squad and manager begin and end in the boardroom .... we have lousy owners who have a track record of only being interested the returns on their equity. Of course, CPFC is a business like anything else, but there will be no passion for success from the Yanks and they probably have Parish's nuts in a vice! Also coupled with the fact that SP wants others to put up money but for him to decide where to spend it. He is scared (rightly or wrongly) to give others control incase they undo his hard work.
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Mwncisee

Middlesbrough 21 Jul 20 2.56pm

Originally posted by radicalsteve

Also coupled with the fact that SP wants others to put up money but for him to decide where to spend it. He is scared (rightly or wrongly) to give others control incase they undo his hard work.

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A1969Eagle Redhill 21 Jul 20 2.57pm
PS At Chelsea they thought some players would not make in the Premier league, so they offloaded them... any one have an clues where they might have ended, Tescos, Car Washing or ? Yes those rejects Sala, Ryan Bertrand,Romelu Lukaku, and wish I knew where he went..... Kevin De Bruyne Lol Originally posted by Crystal_Clear A couple of things to address here. Firstly, I would say that Meyer, Rieldewald and even Slowloth (with his goal exploits in Turkey) are not bad players, they are just not suited the the Premier League. The problem with giving Roy money, is that come the end of next season he probably will have retired. So any incoming manager is left with what he bought, and they could be ill suited for the new manager. Therefore if funds are going to be made available, which quite frankly I doubt, then a new manager is also required as well.
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A1969Eagle

Redhill 21 Jul 20 2.57pm

PS
At Chelsea they thought some players would not make in the Premier league, so they offloaded them... any one have an clues where they might have ended, Tescos, Car Washing or ?
Yes those rejects Sala, Ryan Bertrand,Romelu Lukaku, and wish I knew where he went..... Kevin De Bruyne

Lol

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

A couple of things to address here.

Firstly, I would say that Meyer, Rieldewald and even Slowloth (with his goal exploits in Turkey) are not bad players, they are just not suited the the Premier League.

Therefore if funds are going to be made available, which quite frankly I doubt, then a new manager is also required as well.

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