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martin2412 Living The Dream 20 Oct 19 1.49pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I must’ve had a completely different experience because I left at full time and we lost 2-0. Same here. They don't watch the football anyhow, so probably don't know whether we're winning or losing. They may as well go to a karaoke bar if they just want a sing song.
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Living The Dream 20 Oct 19 1.49pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I must’ve had a completely different experience because I left at full time and we lost 2-0.

Same here. They don't watch the football anyhow, so probably don't know whether we're winning or losing. They may as well go to a karaoke bar if they just want a sing song.

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highbury eagle Islington 20 Oct 19 6.26pm
Yeah, right. Who ever heard of trying to create an atmosphere at a football ground. Originally posted by martin2412 Same here. They don't watch the football anyhow, so probably don't know whether we're winning or losing. They may as well go to a karaoke bar if they just want a sing song. Life is the same as it always will be, Easy as picking foxes from a tree. M Bolan
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Yeah, right. Who ever heard of trying to create an atmosphere at a football ground.

Originally posted by martin2412

Same here. They don't watch the football anyhow, so probably don't know whether we're winning or losing. They may as well go to a karaoke bar if they just want a sing song.

Life is the same as it always will be,
Easy as picking foxes from a tree.
M Bolan

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AERO 20 Oct 19 7.20pm
Don’t see what the problem is ? (Apart from the moving issue ). They only help With the atmosphere ,and make it a better match day experience . And make us a bit of a unique club . What does everyone want a run of the mill club lacking atmosphere and players playing in a library. Also it can have a small impact on players deciding to come to a club like ours . Only a positive contribution as far as I am concerned .
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20 Oct 19 7.20pm

Don’t see what the problem is ? (Apart from the moving issue ). They only help With the atmosphere ,and make it a better match day experience . And make us a bit of a unique club . What does everyone want a run of the mill club lacking atmosphere and players playing in a library. Also it can have a small impact on players deciding to come to a club like ours . Only a positive contribution as far as I am concerned .

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Mapletree Croydon 20 Oct 19 8.14pm
Originally posted by martin2412 Same here. They don't watch the football anyhow, so probably don't know whether we're winning or losing. They may as well go to a karaoke bar if they just want a sing song. What a silly billy. There is one bloke, sometimes two, facing the fans. Everyone else is watching the match. It is possible to watch and sing all at the same time, who'd a thought it.
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Croydon 20 Oct 19 8.14pm

Originally posted by martin2412

Same here. They don't watch the football anyhow, so probably don't know whether we're winning or losing. They may as well go to a karaoke bar if they just want a sing song.

What a silly billy.

There is one bloke, sometimes two, facing the fans. Everyone else is watching the match. It is possible to watch and sing all at the same time, who'd a thought it.

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 20 Oct 19 9.39pm
Let’s be honest Premier League expectation is here. Our famous atmosphere has subsided as result and moving them a couple of blocks hasn’t made that much difference apart from the fact that the ground would otherwise be silent. We were playing one of the best teams the league has seen and the atmosphere was crap on a Saturday night. If something needs staging like the singing section the value is lost. The crowd lifted when we threw in a few tackles and had a bit of a go.
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Let’s be honest Premier League expectation is here. Our famous atmosphere has subsided as result and moving them a couple of blocks hasn’t made that much difference apart from the fact that the ground would otherwise be silent.

We were playing one of the best teams the league has seen and the atmosphere was crap on a Saturday night. If something needs staging like the singing section the value is lost.

The crowd lifted when we threw in a few tackles and had a bit of a go.

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ElmersEndGlazier 21 Oct 19 12.12am
Big up all the prawn sandwich massive. Can’t stand the type of people that think it’s acceptable to sing at a football game. Disgusting.
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Big up all the prawn sandwich massive.

Can’t stand the type of people that think it’s acceptable to sing at a football game. Disgusting.

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SurbsEagle 21 Oct 19 12.48pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman They’re singing songs nobody knows and/or wants to sing. That’s the problem. Think of plenty of home and away matches where they’ve bobbed up and down on their own for 20-30 minutes. First match at the Emirates for example. That’s a big part of why it isn’t and won’t spread. Away from that area it’s all very meh and just a louder drum. Maybe a match where we attack or are in the game might be better to judge but I honestly left v Man City completely forgetting the atmosphere. Surely you're point is aimed more at the rest of the crowd then the HF? They are consistent and are always trying to get the atmosphere going, it's not necessarily their fault that certain songs don't spread. With regards to the new songs that "no one knows the words to yet", these will obviously take time to bed in but in my opinion they are actually perfect songs for the crowd as a whole. Similar to the 'we love you' song and that kicks off massively when we've scored
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21 Oct 19 12.48pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

They’re singing songs nobody knows and/or wants to sing. That’s the problem. Think of plenty of home and away matches where they’ve bobbed up and down on their own for 20-30 minutes. First match at the Emirates for example.

That’s a big part of why it isn’t and won’t spread. Away from that area it’s all very meh and just a louder drum. Maybe a match where we attack or are in the game might be better to judge but I honestly left v Man City completely forgetting the atmosphere.

Surely you're point is aimed more at the rest of the crowd then the HF? They are consistent and are always trying to get the atmosphere going, it's not necessarily their fault that certain songs don't spread.
With regards to the new songs that "no one knows the words to yet", these will obviously take time to bed in but in my opinion they are actually perfect songs for the crowd as a whole. Similar to the 'we love you' song and that kicks off massively when we've scored

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est1905 21 Oct 19 5.24pm
Originally posted by AERO Don’t see what the problem is ? (Apart from the moving issue ). They only help With the atmosphere ,and make it a better match day experience . And make us a bit of a unique club . What does everyone want a run of the mill club lacking atmosphere and players playing in a library. Also it can have a small impact on players deciding to come to a club like ours . Only a positive contribution as far as I am concerned . Extremely naïve comment. Trust me, 99% of players care about how many zeros on the end of their pay slip and don't give a 5hit about whether our fans make a lot of noise or not. Plus the only thing unique about us having the HF (if you actually talk to non Palace football fans) is that our atmosphere is manufactured and our owners care little about long standing fans as they happily booted them out of their seats to make way for the spotty teenagers with a drum (that don't watch the game). They might make noise but they do not get the whole ground going as has been suggested. They refuse to join in with songs started at different parts of the ground and sing only their own songs. They have repeatedly attempted to intimidate other fans and many openly act as if they are more important than the average fan. I blame the owners for this for pandering to them in the first place. They have become way too big for their boots and I think it would have little impact short term and no loss at all in the long term if they suddenly were no longer there.
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21 Oct 19 5.24pm

Originally posted by AERO

Don’t see what the problem is ? (Apart from the moving issue ). They only help With the atmosphere ,and make it a better match day experience . And make us a bit of a unique club . What does everyone want a run of the mill club lacking atmosphere and players playing in a library. Also it can have a small impact on players deciding to come to a club like ours . Only a positive contribution as far as I am concerned .

Extremely naïve comment. Trust me, 99% of players care about how many zeros on the end of their pay slip and don't give a 5hit about whether our fans make a lot of noise or not.
Plus the only thing unique about us having the HF (if you actually talk to non Palace football fans) is that our atmosphere is manufactured and our owners care little about long standing fans as they happily booted them out of their seats to make way for the spotty teenagers with a drum (that don't watch the game).
They might make noise but they do not get the whole ground going as has been suggested. They refuse to join in with songs started at different parts of the ground and sing only their own songs.
They have repeatedly attempted to intimidate other fans and many openly act as if they are more important than the average fan. I blame the owners for this for pandering to them in the first place.
They have become way too big for their boots and I think it would have little impact short term and no loss at all in the long term if they suddenly were no longer there.

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Dean_CPFC South london 21 Oct 19 5.49pm
Crystal Palace ‘ultras’: Ninety relentless minutes amongst the Holmesdale Fanatics [Link] Really good article here on the Holmesdale section. Great to see Palace talked about with such positivity, especially by a neutral journalist who can obviously see the massive positives that are being created from the Palace fanbase Edited by Dean_CPFC (21 Oct 2019 5.50pm)
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Crystal Palace ‘ultras’: Ninety relentless minutes amongst the Holmesdale Fanatics

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Really good article here on the Holmesdale section. Great to see Palace talked about with such positivity, especially by a neutral journalist who can obviously see the massive positives that are being created from the Palace fanbase

Edited by Dean_CPFC (21 Oct 2019 5.50pm)

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AERO 21 Oct 19 7.06pm
Quote Extremely naïve comment. Trust me, 99% of players care about how many zeros on the end of their pay slip and don't give a 5hit about whether our fans make a lot of noise or not. Plus the only thing unique about us having the HF (if you actually talk to non Palace football fans) is that our atmosphere is manufactured and our owners care little about long standing fans as they happily booted them out of their seats to make way for the spotty teenagers with a drum (that don't watch the game). They might make noise but they do not get the whole ground going as has been suggested. They refuse to join in with songs started at different parts of the ground and sing only their own songs. They have repeatedly attempted to intimidate other fans and many openly act as if they are more important than the average fan. I blame the owners for this for pandering to them in the first place. They have become way too big for their boots and I think it would have little impact short term and no loss at all in the long term if they suddenly were no longer there. Did say a small number of players ! Not an ideal world but take them away as we saw when they stopped coming and it was like a morgue . The recent article as mentioned above tends to Agee with my views Edited by Midlands Eagle (21 Oct 2019 7.27pm)
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21 Oct 19 7.06pm

Quote Extremely naïve comment. Trust me, 99% of players care about how many zeros on the end of their pay slip and don't give a 5hit about whether our fans make a lot of noise or not.
Plus the only thing unique about us having the HF (if you actually talk to non Palace football fans) is that our atmosphere is manufactured and our owners care little about long standing fans as they happily booted them out of their seats to make way for the spotty teenagers with a drum (that don't watch the game).
They might make noise but they do not get the whole ground going as has been suggested. They refuse to join in with songs started at different parts of the ground and sing only their own songs.
They have repeatedly attempted to intimidate other fans and many openly act as if they are more important than the average fan. I blame the owners for this for pandering to them in the first place.
They have become way too big for their boots and I think it would have little impact short term and no loss at all in the long term if they suddenly were no longer there.

Did say a small number of players ! Not an ideal world but take them away as we saw when they stopped coming and it was like a morgue . The recent article as mentioned above tends to Agee with my views

Edited by Midlands Eagle (21 Oct 2019 7.27pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 21 Oct 19 10.44pm
Originally posted by est1905 Extremely naïve comment. Trust me, 99% of players care about how many zeros on the end of their pay slip and don't give a 5hit about whether our fans make a lot of noise or not. Plus the only thing unique about us having the HF (if you actually talk to non Palace football fans) is that our atmosphere is manufactured and our owners care little about long standing fans as they happily booted them out of their seats to make way for the spotty teenagers with a drum (that don't watch the game). They might make noise but they do not get the whole ground going as has been suggested. They refuse to join in with songs started at different parts of the ground and sing only their own songs. They have repeatedly attempted to intimidate other fans and many openly act as if they are more important than the average fan. I blame the owners for this for pandering to them in the first place. They have become way too big for their boots and I think it would have little impact short term and no loss at all in the long term if they suddenly were no longer there. And there I was expecting your usual high level of positivity.
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Croydon 21 Oct 19 10.44pm

Originally posted by est1905

And there I was expecting your usual high level of positivity.

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cols123 beckenham 21 Oct 19 10.55pm
Originally posted by est1905 Extremely naïve comment. Trust me, 99% of players care about how many zeros on the end of their pay slip and don't give a 5hit about whether our fans make a lot of noise or not. Plus the only thing unique about us having the HF (if you actually talk to non Palace football fans) is that our atmosphere is manufactured and our owners care little about long standing fans as they happily booted them out of their seats to make way for the spotty teenagers with a drum (that don't watch the game). They might make noise but they do not get the whole ground going as has been suggested. They refuse to join in with songs started at different parts of the ground and sing only their own songs. They have repeatedly attempted to intimidate other fans and many openly act as if they are more important than the average fan. I blame the owners for this for pandering to them in the first place. They have become way too big for their boots and I think it would have little impact short term and no loss at all in the long term if they suddenly were no longer there. In need of any salt and vinegar for that chip in your shoulder? Anyone who experienced the appalling atmosphere at the beginning of last season when the HF weren't around knows that this season the atmosphere has been leaps and bounds ahead of that, and the move has been good. Your point about the rest of the ground not getting involved in chants would be all the more apparant if the HF weren't there! Deathly silence springs to mind. Moaning about there being new songs that people dont know is laughable. Pride of south london, we love you and many others took their time to bed in. Cant you moan about the burgers or something else instead. Edited by cols123 (21 Oct 2019 10.56pm)
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beckenham 21 Oct 19 10.55pm

Originally posted by est1905

In need of any salt and vinegar for that chip in your shoulder?

Anyone who experienced the appalling atmosphere at the beginning of last season when the HF weren't around knows that this season the atmosphere has been leaps and bounds ahead of that, and the move has been good.

Your point about the rest of the ground not getting involved in chants would be all the more apparant if the HF weren't there! Deathly silence springs to mind.

Moaning about there being new songs that people dont know is laughable. Pride of south london, we love you and many others took their time to bed in. Cant you moan about the burgers or something else instead.

Edited by cols123 (21 Oct 2019 10.56pm)

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