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  Hrolf The Ganger  07 Apr 19 10.34am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Link? You made the argument, so show us the figures that prove what your claim.
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Pussay Patrol  07 Apr 19 10.50am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You made the argument, so show us the figures that prove what your claim. You can't prove it? What I said is simple logic
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| Hrolf The Ganger 07 Apr 19 11.33am |
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No. Not without a breakdown. So your answer to Britain's problems is to import more people to pay for the people already here? Firstly, given that there is a huge cost looking after the aged, that means that in 40 to 50 years time a significant number of today's immigrants will be old. They then become part of that problem. Can you see the flaw in your ridiculous logic?
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| dannyboy1978 07 Apr 19 11.40am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Er, no if more people are here, more people are paying tax, hence there should be be more money to pay for public services to meet the needs of the people. Simple logic Strange how same people argue employment is at record highs as a reason Brexit is good but on here argue we're poor and don't have funds for our schools and hospitals. Cognitive dissonance again So your in favour of controlled immigration?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 07 Apr 19 12.17pm |
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""if more people are here, more people are paying tax, hence there should be be more money to pay for public services to meet the needs of the people. Simple logic ""
This is why we need controlled immigration we need to reduce (not stop) the number of unskilled workers who will do low wage jobs whilst making easier for skilled workers from outside the EU e.g. Doctors, engineers, scientists etc. Mass immigration No skilled immigration Yes.
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Teddy Eagle  07 Apr 19 12.31pm |
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Your “logic” overlooks the number of people working cash in hand. How many cab drivers do you think pay the full amount? Certainly in east London Asian companies have a monopoly on cab offices. I haven’t lived in south London for years so can’t comment on that.
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| Pussay Patrol 07 Apr 19 12.44pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
""if more people are here, more people are paying tax, hence there should be be more money to pay for public services to meet the needs of the people. Simple logic ""
This is why we need controlled immigration we need to reduce (not stop) the number of unskilled workers who will do low wage jobs whilst making easier for skilled workers from outside the EU e.g. Doctors, engineers, scientists etc. Mass immigration No skilled immigration Yes. But that's the same for everyone What you're not counting is to have a robust economy you need the workforce, the people that do unskilled jobs whether indigenous or not, oil the wheels of economy and we as a whole benefit throw investment and growth which then boosts our financial markets, which our companies and pensions and savings etc are linked into I thought you were better than this
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| Teddy Eagle 07 Apr 19 12.58pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
But that's the same for everyone What you're not counting is to have a robust economy you need the workforce, the people that do unskilled jobs whether indigenous or not, oil the wheels of economy and we as a whole benefit throw investment and growth which then boosts our financial markets, which our companies and pensions and savings etc are linked into I thought you were better than this There are 1.3 million unemployed people in the country. Why do we need anyone else to do these jobs? Incidentally that is a 44 year low figure so project fear isn’t panning out either.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 07 Apr 19 1.34pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So in conclusion, the 5th largest economy in the world is unable to provide enough school places, homes and hospital care for it's population? you are saying there is an adequate surplus of money in the pot to provide services for all ? and what surplus of women is there to partner-up with all these hundreds of thousands of single men entering the country ?
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| Stirlingsays 07 Apr 19 1.37pm |
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Badger11 literally nails it with the logic that so many on the left can't seem to grasp or admit to....that the majority below a set income cost the country more and that the majority of immigrants never reach that threshold. And what you get in return is generalities and an appeal to emotion. It's foolish for the left to argue for immigration on economic grounds because all that leads to is the reality that you need to restrict immigration to only the economically viable. Which most of us would agree with anyway. The reality is that immigrants get old.....Then they receive welfare and benefits that place the same burden on the working taxpayers......The higher you increase the population through immigration the worse you make this burden....It's short term economics...'ponzi scheme' economics. If you want a sensible policy on immigration look at the recent changes made by Japan. You can only come if you are working and you can't stay beyond an agreed time....they want young and educated and temporary.....becoming naturalised is made very difficult....They don't want old immigrants and they don't want to lose their identity or social cohesion problems...people they allowed to live among them calling them racists......The Japanese aren't stupid. A lot of studies we have are by left leaning institutions who are only looking at restricted time periods so that they can miss out a large share of older migrants. The people in power have no motivation to tell people the truth......The truth is a commodity like everything else. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Apr 2019 1.59pm)
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 07 Apr 19 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If you want a sensible policy on immigration look at the recent changes made by Japan. You can only come if you are working and you can't stay beyond an agreed time....they want young and educated and temporary.....becoming naturalised is made very difficult.... They don't want old immigrants and they don't want to lose their identity or social cohesion problems...people they allowed to live among them calling them racists......The Japanese aren't stupid.
That is one solution to the problem. I seem to recall a discussion that one of the Gulf States gets lots of 'cleaning lady' type workers from the Philippines and basically they must be aged 45+. The theory being that they will not get pregnant, have kids and put down roots. Thus no ghetto where the local language/culture/religion has been abandoned. Also no welfare for single mums, making getting pregnant with a longterm unemployed loser (domestic or foreign) far less attractive. A bit too late for many parts of England.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 07 Apr 19 4.45pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
But that's the same for everyone What you're not counting is to have a robust economy you need the workforce, the people that do unskilled jobs whether indigenous or not, oil the wheels of economy and we as a whole benefit throw investment and growth which then boosts our financial markets, which our companies and pensions and savings etc are linked into I thought you were better than this If you read my post again I said "reduce not stop" I agree that there are some sectors and some parts of the country that need workers. But we have to control the incoming with the needs of the economy. By leaving the EU we can do that it will then be up to the government of the day to justify their immigration policy to the voters. I would also stop new workers from being entitled to benefits for around 5 years. This is fairly common in many countries. Now if Costa Packet or McJobs want to employ overseas workers they will have to offer a package that is attractive rather than rely on the taxpayer. Exceptions could be made if the sector is vital to the economy e.g. NHS or social care. The other day I ready that we need 40,000 new barista's err no we don't.
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