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spartakev2 Anerley 19 Oct 18 2.14pm
Thr silence from the HF has been deafening. Would love them to come on here and explain what they have been offered...have they been offered 400 seats? Who us going to get those seats? New HF members? How do you become a new HF member?. Probably won't because they know the answers won't go down well. I think they'll be suprised by the reception they get when they do decide to make a come back.
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Anerley 19 Oct 18 2.14pm

Thr silence from the HF has been deafening. Would love them to come on here and explain what they have been offered...have they been offered 400 seats? Who us going to get those seats? New HF members? How do you become a new HF member?.

Probably won't because they know the answers won't go down well.
I think they'll be suprised by the reception they get when they do decide to make a come back.

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Mapletree Croydon 19 Oct 18 2.26pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 Thr silence from the HF has been deafening. Would love them to come on here and explain what they have been offered...have they been offered 400 seats? Who us going to get those seats? New HF members? How do you become a new HF member?. Probably won't because they know the answers won't go down well. I think they'll be suprised by the reception they get when they do decide to make a come back. I doubt that the approach taken by the club is in agreement with the HF. It would be interesting to hear their views but they are in a no-win situation, which I am sure is why they aren't commenting. They didn't make the decisions in the end, they are a pressure group with its own agenda. At the moment I see no reason to blame them for doing what pressure groups do.
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Croydon 19 Oct 18 2.26pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

Probably won't because they know the answers won't go down well.
I think they'll be suprised by the reception they get when they do decide to make a come back.

I doubt that the approach taken by the club is in agreement with the HF. It would be interesting to hear their views but they are in a no-win situation, which I am sure is why they aren't commenting.

They didn't make the decisions in the end, they are a pressure group with its own agenda. At the moment I see no reason to blame them for doing what pressure groups do.

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SnapperKain SE25 6PU 19 Oct 18 2.43pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I doubt that the approach taken by the club is in agreement with the HF. It would be interesting to hear their views but they are in a no-win situation, which I am sure is why they aren't commenting. They didn't make the decisions in the end, they are a pressure group with its own agenda. At the moment I see no reason to blame them for doing what pressure groups do. I disagree, they have to acknowledge some responsibility in having people shifted out of there seats, in my opinion it's downright farcical to suggest otherwise. The whole concept of being a pressure group is to put pressure on a company or other organisation to get your own way. So by definition they are partially responsible in what happens next and it's irresponsible to try and clean their hands of that. The trouble with computers, of course, is that they're very sophisticated idiots
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SE25 6PU 19 Oct 18 2.43pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I doubt that the approach taken by the club is in agreement with the HF. It would be interesting to hear their views but they are in a no-win situation, which I am sure is why they aren't commenting.

They didn't make the decisions in the end, they are a pressure group with its own agenda. At the moment I see no reason to blame them for doing what pressure groups do.

I disagree, they have to acknowledge some responsibility in having people shifted out of there seats, in my opinion it's downright farcical to suggest otherwise. The whole concept of being a pressure group is to put pressure on a company or other organisation to get your own way. So by definition they are partially responsible in what happens next and it's irresponsible to try and clean their hands of that.

The trouble with computers, of course, is that they're very sophisticated idiots

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Goal Machine The Cronx 19 Oct 18 3.32pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 Thr silence from the HF has been deafening. Would love them to come on here and explain what they have been offered...have they been offered 400 seats? Who us going to get those seats? New HF members? How do you become a new HF member?. Probably won't because they know the answers won't go down well. I think they'll be suprised by the reception they get when they do decide to make a come back. As a guess, I would assume its done the same way as how they arranged tickets for the FA Cup Final and Playoff final. The club gave them 500 tickets to form the 'singing section' and these were sold to normal 'non HF' supporters (via the HF on social media), who wanted to be part of the section. Tickets could be purchased based on the same qualifying criteria as buying them through the club directly. i.e. you had to be a season ticket holder already to qualify. What I suspect will happen is that of the 400 seats given to the HF, 300 spares will be available to ordinary fans who want to be part of it. After the applications are in, they will most likely be given to fans based on membership points accrued to date. On both occasions Wembley was a huge success and I'd expect it be a success at Selhurst. I just hope all effected block E supporters are well compensated.
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The Cronx 19 Oct 18 3.32pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

Probably won't because they know the answers won't go down well.
I think they'll be suprised by the reception they get when they do decide to make a come back.

As a guess, I would assume its done the same way as how they arranged tickets for the FA Cup Final and Playoff final.

The club gave them 500 tickets to form the 'singing section' and these were sold to normal 'non HF' supporters (via the HF on social media), who wanted to be part of the section. Tickets could be purchased based on the same qualifying criteria as buying them through the club directly. i.e. you had to be a season ticket holder already to qualify.

What I suspect will happen is that of the 400 seats given to the HF, 300 spares will be available to ordinary fans who want to be part of it. After the applications are in, they will most likely be given to fans based on membership points accrued to date.

On both occasions Wembley was a huge success and I'd expect it be a success at Selhurst. I just hope all effected block E supporters are well compensated.

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Palace in the Blood 19 Oct 18 3.58pm
Originally posted by Goal Machine As a guess, I would assume its done the same way as how they arranged tickets for the FA Cup Final and Playoff final. The club gave them 500 tickets to form the 'singing section' and these were sold to normal 'non HF' supporters (via the HF on social media), who wanted to be part of the section. Tickets could be purchased based on the same qualifying criteria as buying them through the club directly. i.e. you had to be a season ticket holder already to qualify. What I suspect will happen is that of the 400 seats given to the HF, 300 spares will be available to ordinary fans who want to be part of it. After the applications are in, they will most likely be given to fans based on membership points accrued to date. On both occasions Wembley was a huge success and I'd expect it be a success at Selhurst. I just hope all effected block E supporters are well compensated. So in other words people bypass season ticket waiting list
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Originally posted by Goal Machine

As a guess, I would assume its done the same way as how they arranged tickets for the FA Cup Final and Playoff final.

On both occasions Wembley was a huge success and I'd expect it be a success at Selhurst. I just hope all effected block E supporters are well compensated.

So in other words people bypass season ticket waiting list

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Goal Machine The Cronx 19 Oct 18 4.02pm
Originally posted by Palace in the Blood So in other words people bypass season ticket waiting list Well no, not at all. The opposite in fact. People who apply in the section who have been season ticket holders for longest/most membership points will get priority. As I say, this is my guess and seems most logical.
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The Cronx 19 Oct 18 4.02pm

Originally posted by Palace in the Blood

So in other words people bypass season ticket waiting list

Well no, not at all. The opposite in fact.

People who apply in the section who have been season ticket holders for longest/most membership points will get priority. As I say, this is my guess and seems most logical.

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spartakev2 Anerley 19 Oct 18 4.03pm
Originally posted by Goal Machine As a guess, I would assume its done the same way as how they arranged tickets for the FA Cup Final and Playoff final. The club gave them 500 tickets to form the 'singing section' and these were sold to normal 'non HF' supporters (via the HF on social media), who wanted to be part of the section. Tickets could be purchased based on the same qualifying criteria as buying them through the club directly. i.e. you had to be a season ticket holder already to qualify. What I suspect will happen is that of the 400 seats given to the HF, 300 spares will be available to ordinary fans who want to be part of it. After the applications are in, they will most likely be given to fans based on membership points accrued to date. On both occasions Wembley was a huge success and I'd expect it be a success at Selhurst. I just hope all effected block E supporters are well compensated. Surely if this were the case, the existing seat holders should have been offered a chance to stay in their seats and be part of it? Still nobody has explained how you become a member of HF. Is it some secret society and you're not allowed to say?
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Anerley 19 Oct 18 4.03pm

Originally posted by Goal Machine

As a guess, I would assume its done the same way as how they arranged tickets for the FA Cup Final and Playoff final.

What I suspect will happen is that of the 400 seats given to the HF, 300 spares will be available to ordinary fans who want to be part of it. After the applications are in, they will most likely be given to fans based on membership points accrued to date.

On both occasions Wembley was a huge success and I'd expect it be a success at Selhurst. I just hope all effected block E supporters are well compensated.

Surely if this were the case, the existing seat holders should have been offered a chance to stay in their seats and be part of it?

Still nobody has explained how you become a member of HF. Is it some secret society and you're not allowed to say?

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spartakev2 Anerley 19 Oct 18 4.05pm
Originally posted by Goal Machine Well no, not at all. The opposite in fact. People who apply in the section who have been season ticket holders for longest/most membership points will get priority. As I say, this is my guess and seems most logical. Not really, as a lot of the people in those seats havd been ST holders for many years and they have flatly been told they can not stay in their seat and become a member of the singing section.
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Anerley 19 Oct 18 4.05pm

Originally posted by Goal Machine

Well no, not at all. The opposite in fact.

People who apply in the section who have been season ticket holders for longest/most membership points will get priority. As I say, this is my guess and seems most logical.

Not really, as a lot of the people in those seats havd been ST holders for many years and they have flatly been told they can not stay in their seat and become a member of the singing section.

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Goal Machine The Cronx 19 Oct 18 4.20pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 Surely if this were the case, the existing seat holders should have been offered a chance to stay in their seats and be part of it? Still nobody has explained how you become a member of HF. Is it some secret society and you're not allowed to say? I don't know the details, I'm the dark as much as you are, the club are probably trying to work out the best way of dealing with this. I suspect if those in block E do want to remain in their seats and they have enough membership points to qualify, they will be given the choice to do so. However, I would guess demand for those seats will be high, perhaps 2500 applicants, and only the top 300 will get them (maybe some from block E included). With regards to joining them, they're fairly active on social media and have a website and are easily contactable (on Facebook there is a community page 'HOLMESDALE FANATICS ULTRAS CPFC' with 12,000 followers or 'Steve Coppell' - you can message either of them), I don't use Twitter but I'm sure they'll be on that as well. From the ones I've met they're fairly pleasant and welcoming and actively looking for new members at the start of most seasons (perhaps not this season!). I have a high opinion of them as they sorted out my tickets for the playoff final and also their coach offered me a lift to Peterborough away a few years ago when I walked past their coach on my way to East Croydon station when wearing my Palace scarf.
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The Cronx 19 Oct 18 4.20pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

Surely if this were the case, the existing seat holders should have been offered a chance to stay in their seats and be part of it?

Still nobody has explained how you become a member of HF. Is it some secret society and you're not allowed to say?

I don't know the details, I'm the dark as much as you are, the club are probably trying to work out the best way of dealing with this. I suspect if those in block E do want to remain in their seats and they have enough membership points to qualify, they will be given the choice to do so. However, I would guess demand for those seats will be high, perhaps 2500 applicants, and only the top 300 will get them (maybe some from block E included).

With regards to joining them, they're fairly active on social media and have a website and are easily contactable (on Facebook there is a community page 'HOLMESDALE FANATICS ULTRAS CPFC' with 12,000 followers or 'Steve Coppell' - you can message either of them), I don't use Twitter but I'm sure they'll be on that as well. From the ones I've met they're fairly pleasant and welcoming and actively looking for new members at the start of most seasons (perhaps not this season!).

I have a high opinion of them as they sorted out my tickets for the playoff final and also their coach offered me a lift to Peterborough away a few years ago when I walked past their coach on my way to East Croydon station when wearing my Palace scarf.

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Mapletree Croydon 19 Oct 18 4.22pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 Not really, as a lot of the people in those seats havd been ST holders for many years and they have flatly been told they can not stay in their seat and become a member of the singing section. I was not told that I was told that the singing section is CPFC and NOT the HF, very specifically I was also told that the Box Office didn't know how I could join the singing section, nor whether if I did so I would be able to stay in my current seat (which is nicely moulded to my botty after all these years). Perhaps things have moved on as I was very early in the process. I asked the Box Office guy to take away my comments and take action on them.
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Croydon 19 Oct 18 4.22pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

Not really, as a lot of the people in those seats havd been ST holders for many years and they have flatly been told they can not stay in their seat and become a member of the singing section.

I was not told that

I was told that the singing section is CPFC and NOT the HF, very specifically

I was also told that the Box Office didn't know how I could join the singing section, nor whether if I did so I would be able to stay in my current seat (which is nicely moulded to my botty after all these years).

Perhaps things have moved on as I was very early in the process. I asked the Box Office guy to take away my comments and take action on them.

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I'mPalace Till I Die 19 Oct 18 4.23pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Who knows. I won't give up without a fight and I know how to do that. I am staying. Anyone in a similar position, that doesn't mind staying put whilst the HF move all around them, is welcome to compare notes with me. Edited by Mapletree (19 Oct 2018 12.41pm) Good luck sir
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Originally posted by Mapletree

Who knows.

I won't give up without a fight and I know how to do that. I am staying.

Anyone in a similar position, that doesn't mind staying put whilst the HF move all around them, is welcome to compare notes with me.

Edited by Mapletree (19 Oct 2018 12.41pm)

Good luck sir

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bicycle repair man 19 Oct 18 4.33pm
Originally posted by Jamesey This article is on the whole sympathetic and fair (IMHO) in today's South London Press Couldn't seem to share so have copied it below. Crystal Palace News Crystal Palace fans’ anger at ousting from their seats 19th October 2018 Calum Fraser BY CALUM FRASER calum@slpmedia.co.uk Dozens of fans are outraged as football chiefs plan to move them out of season ticket seats that some have held for decades. Crystal Palace bosses have given the go-ahead to plans to clear a section of Selhurst Park to concentrate a group of fans known as the Holmesdale Fanatics (HF) in a bid to create a “central singing section”. But this means that scores of season ticket holders, many of whom have held their seats since the Holmesdale Stand was built in 1995, will have to be dispersed around the stadium. Stephen Kingdom, 48, a Selhurst Park regular since 1984, said: “I think we are all in shock that the club can treat long-term loyal fans in this way, especially when in September they put out a statement explaining why this would be the wrong thing to do. “The club have clearly been considering this move for a long time, but at no time have they consulted with affected fans.It really feels like – now we’re in the Premier League – we don’t matter to the club anymore.” The HF were negotiating with the club chiefs over the summer to make room for their singing section. The HF want to be moved from a corner of the stand, block B, to the centre behind the goals, block E. But the club released a statement on September 2 saying they would not follow through with the plans because they felt “it would be hugely unfair and disruptive”. Another statement was then released on September 26 reversing this decision. Up to 400 season tickets were pledged to the HF starting next year. Mr Kingdom, who works in the charity sector, said: “The club’s U-turn makes it feel like this is a panicky decision; and it certainly doesn’t seem thought through. It’s clear, for example, that the club haven’t thought about the impact on fans whose seats are near the proposed new singing section.” The fans who will lose their seats will be offered a discounted price on different season tickets. The fans are not happy with this because they will be at the back of the queue for season tickets as other supporters will be given the chance to renew their tickets first. According to club figures 92 per cent of season ticket holders renew their seat every year. One aggrieved fan, who has been attending games for almost 40 years, said: “We’ve been through all the highs and lows with the club. That often means more lows than highs with Palace, but we have always been there. “Suddenly we’re being thrown out of our seats and told, well you have to scrabble around for what are probably going to be the worst seats in the stadium.” Mr Kingdom is part of a small group of fans which met part-owner and chairman Steve Parish on Wednesday night. He said: “I’m pleased that Steve Parish has finally offered to meet some of us. I will, of course, listen to what he has to say. But it really is at least a year too late. And I and a handful of others can’t represent all 400 affected fans: he really needs to engage with all of us.” A spokesman for Crystal Palace said: “There is overwhelming support among our fans for the creation of a new, expanded singing section in the central block of the Holmesdale Road stand, creating a wall of sound that we believe will create a unique Premier League atmosphere at Selhurst Park. “We are working with season ticket holders in Block E, who, regrettably, will have to be relocated next season, to ensure we make this as painless as possible. “We understand the upheaval this will inevitably cause some season ticket holders, and the chairman will be meeting a group of those affected in the coming weeks to discuss arrangements.” Parish never mentioned any of this jiggery pokery when he was appealing to us to back the new stand development.And a lot of those people he is now expelling from their long held seats took the time to give good reasons to the council why the plans should go ahead,and now he has kicked them in the teeth. If he needs such help in the future people will think twice. What goes around comes around Mr Parish.
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Originally posted by Jamesey

This article is on the whole sympathetic and fair (IMHO) in today's South London Press
Couldn't seem to share so have copied it below.

Crystal Palace News

Crystal Palace fans’ anger at ousting from their seats

19th October 2018 Calum Fraser

BY CALUM FRASER
calum@slpmedia.co.uk

Dozens of fans are outraged as football chiefs plan to move them out of season ticket seats that some have held for decades.

Crystal Palace bosses have given the go-ahead to plans to clear a section of Selhurst Park to concentrate a group of fans known as the Holmesdale Fanatics (HF) in a bid to create a “central singing section”.

But this means that scores of season ticket holders, many of whom have held their seats since the Holmesdale Stand was built in 1995, will have to be dispersed around the stadium.

Stephen Kingdom, 48, a Selhurst Park regular since 1984, said: “I think we are all in shock that the club can treat long-term loyal fans in this way, especially when in September they put out a statement explaining why this would be the wrong thing to do.

“The club have clearly been considering this move for a long time, but at no time have they consulted with affected fans.It really feels like – now we’re in the Premier League – we don’t matter to the club anymore.”

The HF were negotiating with the club chiefs over the summer to make room for their singing section. The HF want to be moved from a corner of the stand, block B, to the centre behind the goals, block E.

But the club released a statement on September 2 saying they would not follow through with the plans because they felt “it would be hugely unfair and disruptive”.

Another statement was then released on September 26 reversing this decision. Up to 400 season tickets were pledged to the HF starting next year.
Mr Kingdom, who works in the charity sector, said: “The club’s U-turn makes it feel like this is a panicky decision; and it certainly doesn’t seem thought through.

It’s clear, for example, that the club haven’t thought about the impact on fans whose seats are near the proposed new singing section.”

The fans who will lose their seats will be offered a discounted price on different season tickets. The fans are not happy with this because they will be at the back of the queue for season tickets as other supporters will be given the chance to renew their tickets first.

According to club figures 92 per cent of season ticket holders renew their seat every year.

One aggrieved fan, who has been attending games for almost 40 years, said: “We’ve been through all the highs and lows with the club.

That often means more lows than highs with Palace, but we have always been there.

“Suddenly we’re being thrown out of our seats and told, well you have to scrabble around for what are probably going to be the worst seats in the stadium.”

Mr Kingdom is part of a small group of fans which met part-owner and chairman Steve Parish on Wednesday night.

He said: “I’m pleased that Steve Parish has finally offered to meet some of us. I will, of course, listen to what he has to say.
But it really is at least a year too late. And I and a handful of others can’t represent all 400 affected fans: he really needs to engage with all of us.”

A spokesman for Crystal Palace said: “There is overwhelming support among our fans for the creation of a new, expanded singing section in the central block of the Holmesdale Road stand, creating a wall of sound that we believe will create a unique Premier League atmosphere at Selhurst Park.
“We are working with season ticket holders in Block E, who, regrettably, will have to be relocated next season, to ensure we make this as painless as possible.

“We understand the upheaval this will inevitably cause some season ticket holders, and the chairman will be meeting a group of those affected in the coming weeks to discuss arrangements.”

Parish never mentioned any of this jiggery pokery when he was appealing to us to back the new stand development.And a lot of those people he is now expelling from their long held seats took the time to give good reasons to the council why the plans should go ahead,and now he has kicked them in the teeth.
If he needs such help in the future people will think twice.
What goes around comes around Mr Parish.

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