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Park Road Flag 16 Dec 17 1.33pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

You don't know then that there are plenty of sects/religions within the Islamic world that as part of their doctrine totally reject violence/Jihad.

Their spiritual leaders/imans would have been speaking out against violence for centuries.

Kharjites, Ismailis, Sufis to name a few.

Firstly, that's the title of the YouTube clip not my creation.

Secondly, good luck to all those Muslims who speak out against violence. They have one hell of a job on their hands especially when parts of the Koran state the contrary.

Maybe after a few more centuries they might get their message across.
I know there are also messages of peace in the Koran and people nick pick which ones to highlight. If for me you preach violence, and then talk about peace , in the same breath then ridiculousness ,hypocracy and delusion springs to mind.


I think there are about 134 verses that condone violence here a but a few

Like said good luck on any body in that community to get the message of peace across. Its been centuries and I understand why.

) “Fight against those who do not obey Allah and do not believe in Allah or the Last Day and do not forbid what has been forbidden by Allah and His messenger even if they are of the People of the Book until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” 9:29


(2) “When the sacred months have passed, then kill the Mushrikin wherever you find them. Capture them. Besiege them. Lie in wait for them in each and every ambush but if they repent, and perform the prayers, and give zacat then leave their way free.” 9:5

(3) “They ask you about fighting during the sacred months. Tell them, fighting therein is a great sin but a greater sin is to prevent mankind from following the way of Allah, to disbelieve in him.” 2:217

(4) “Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out from where they drove you out. Persecution is worse than slaughter.” 2:191

(5) “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” 47:4

“When your Lord revealed to the angels, ‘Truly I am with you. So, keep firm those who have believed. I will strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. So, strike them at the necks and cut off their fingers.’” 8:12

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(7) “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has made one superior to the other and because they spend to support them from their means. Therefore, righteous women are obedient and they guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard. And, as to those women from whom you fear disobedience, give them a warning, send them to separate beds, and beat them.” 4:34

( “Oh you who believe, fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you and let them find harshness in you.” 9:12

(9) “Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow Him are merciful to one another but harsh to the disbeliever.” 48:29

(10) “They wish that you would reject faith as they have rejected faith unless that you would all be equal. So, don’t take protectors from them unless they emigrate in the way of Allah but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them.” 4:89

Edited by Park Road (16 Dec 2017 1.35pm)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Dec 17 2.29pm

Originally posted by Park Road

Firstly, that's the title of the YouTube clip not my creation.

Secondly, good luck to all those Muslims who speak out against violence. They have one hell of a job on their hands especially when parts of the Koran state the contrary.

Maybe after a few more centuries they might get their message across.
I know there are also messages of peace in the Koran and people nick pick which ones to highlight. If for me you preach violence, and then talk about peace , in the same breath then ridiculousness ,hypocracy and delusion springs to mind.


I think there are about 134 verses that condone violence here a but a few

Like said good luck on any body in that community to get the message of peace across. Its been centuries and I understand why.

) “Fight against those who do not obey Allah and do not believe in Allah or the Last Day and do not forbid what has been forbidden by Allah and His messenger even if they are of the People of the Book until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” 9:29


(2) “When the sacred months have passed, then kill the Mushrikin wherever you find them. Capture them. Besiege them. Lie in wait for them in each and every ambush but if they repent, and perform the prayers, and give zacat then leave their way free.” 9:5

(3) “They ask you about fighting during the sacred months. Tell them, fighting therein is a great sin but a greater sin is to prevent mankind from following the way of Allah, to disbelieve in him.” 2:217

(4) “Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out from where they drove you out. Persecution is worse than slaughter.” 2:191

(5) “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” 47:4

“When your Lord revealed to the angels, ‘Truly I am with you. So, keep firm those who have believed. I will strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. So, strike them at the necks and cut off their fingers.’” 8:12

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(7) “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has made one superior to the other and because they spend to support them from their means. Therefore, righteous women are obedient and they guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard. And, as to those women from whom you fear disobedience, give them a warning, send them to separate beds, and beat them.” 4:34

( “Oh you who believe, fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you and let them find harshness in you.” 9:12

(9) “Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow Him are merciful to one another but harsh to the disbeliever.” 48:29

(10) “They wish that you would reject faith as they have rejected faith unless that you would all be equal. So, don’t take protectors from them unless they emigrate in the way of Allah but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them.” 4:89

Edited by Park Road (16 Dec 2017 1.35pm)

So you are interpreting the Koran in the same way as the terrorists!

 

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Park Road Flag 16 Dec 17 2.42pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

So you are interpreting the Koran in the same way as the terrorists!

Why do you say that?
All I've done is wished success for those who preach peace, and showed the difficulties they have had to face for centuries.

You nick on the other hand have to stop interpreting what I mean.


Edited by Park Road (16 Dec 2017 2.46pm)

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 16 Dec 17 2.49pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Park Road

Why do you say that?
All I've done is wished success for those who preach peace, and showed the difficulties they have had to face for centuries.

You nick on the other hand have to stop interpreting what I mean.


Edited by Park Road (16 Dec 2017 2.46pm)

Look there are many ways to interpret the bible, the koran, the Torah and even Harry bleedin' Potter.

The fact is that a very, very tiny minority of 'muslims' interprtet the koran in such a way that it involves blowing themselves and other people up.

1,600,000,000 Muslims on planet earth. Over the last twenty years in the western world probably 100 or so of them have caused bloody carnage.

 


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Park Road Flag 16 Dec 17 2.54pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Look there are many ways to interpret the bible, the koran, the Torah and even Harry bleedin' Potter.

The fact is that a very, very tiny minority of 'muslims' interprtet the koran in such a way that it involves blowing themselves and other people up.

1,600,000,000 Muslims on planet earth. Over the last twenty years in the western world probably 100 or so of them have caused bloody carnage.

Yeah! but your only enlightened when you realize what nonsense they all are.
Only, a 100 or so, that's comforting.
Islam has been violent since its birth.
Still a t least its only 100

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Dec 17 4.04pm

Originally posted by Park Road

Why do you say that?
All I've done is wished success for those who preach peace, and showed the difficulties they have had to face for centuries.

You nick on the other hand have to stop interpreting what I mean.


Edited by Park Road (16 Dec 2017 2.46pm)

but by posting those verses you are insinuating that Islam isn't a religion of peace, when on the whole it is, but like all religions you get extremists who use irreligious interpretations of whatever the Holy text is.

 

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Park Road Flag 16 Dec 17 4.31pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

but by posting those verses you are insinuating that Islam isn't a religion of peace, when on the whole it is, but like all religions you get extremists who use irreligious interpretations of whatever the Holy text is.

Nick, you have to stop insinuating what you think I mean. I didn't write the verses.
Islam us not a religion of peace its been violent since birth I'm not insinuating this its just true.
Islam is not a religion of peace.
All religion use irreligious interpretations even jedi. But luckily the last of these Jedi's are going to influence another religious cult of youngsters.
Of course I jest or do I?

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 16 Dec 17 5.07pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Park Road

Nick, you have to stop insinuating what you think I mean. I didn't write the verses.
Islam us not a religion of peace its been violent since birth I'm not insinuating this its just true.
Islam is not a religion of peace.
All religion use irreligious interpretations even jedi. But luckily the last of these Jedi's are going to influence another religious cult of youngsters.
Of course I jest or do I?

Ok if it's not a religion of peace why are the vast majority of muslims peaceful?

 


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Park Road Flag 16 Dec 17 5.22pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Ok if it's not a religion of peace why are the vast majority of muslims peaceful?

I don't know Kermit why?
I also think Jedi's who lean towards the dark side of the force are not representive of a big majority who just want peace in the galaxy.

Surely, my statement is ridiculous Kermit! Majority of jedi's are peaceful

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 16 Dec 17 6.09pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Ok if it's not a religion of peace why are the vast majority of muslims peaceful?

It's also the a religion of death for apostates, death for homosexuals, death for sex out side of marriage - along with various limb-hacking for other misdemeanors. Oh, and there are no truly democratic Islamic countries.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Dec 17 6.11pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It's also the a religion of death for apostates, death for homosexuals, death for sex out side of marriage - along with various limb-hacking for other misdemeanors. Oh, and there are no truly democratic Islamic countries.

So by definition, you are an islamaphobe

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 16 Dec 17 6.23pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

So by definition, you are an islamaphobe

Am I? I thought I was merely someone who doesn't agree with death for apostates, death for homosexuals and death for sex out side of marriage - or with cutting off peoples' limbs as a punishment.
I wonder what you are 'by definition'?

 


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