That opinion is insane. What kind of madness says that people should be punished if they read the signals wrong. I don't know what kind of world you want but I doubt many men and women would want it. Maybe you want people signing contracts before they can 'fcuk'.....You think I display 'male privilege' and I think you're a misandrist.

Have you ever been to a nightclub? You'd have to shut them all down.

I'm inclined to agree, to an extent. There has to be a reasonable allowance for 'misreading the signals, making a pass etc'. of course, if you proceed beyond being told 'no, not interested' you've only got yourself to blame.

Of course most of these cases are about entirely unreasonable behaviour. I don't have a problem with a guy making a pass at me, or a girl. But when I say no or that I'm not interested, I expect them to back the f**k off.

Problem here, mostly, seems to be that its not people reading the signals wrong, but actively not caring about the signals.

I feel a bit sorry for Louis CK, on the basis, that he asked if it was 'ok to masturbate in front of someone', but then some of the other stuff clearly wasn't the same (masturbating over the phone for example). But that's not what's happening in many of these cases - their behaviour is inappropriate and often without interest in what the other person has expressed.

I think you have to be reasonable with it. Otherwise, every rock star who's banged a groupie, is going to be on trial. There are just some circumstances where the attraction is the celebrity / star angle. Which I guess is where context comes in and the working relationship.

I think some people are just arrogant s**ts, who really have no real regard for other people, and it makes them predatory or at least regular offenders - others they're living out a fantasy, in which they've forgotten that reality and fantasy are two different things.

The later is a pathological behaviour, because the reality never lives up to the fantasy, but the thrill of the fantasy remains; the power. We all have very dark fantasies, but for most there is no indulgence - and the truth is that the moments leading up to the reality are what 'turns offenders on'. Serial rapists tend to be living out fantasies, and its the thrill of the act, not the fulfilment of lust that tends to drive them.

Otherwise, what pleasure is there in just groping people, if it doesn't result in some kind of sexual fulfilment - Its about the feeling of arousal probably, and that's what they seek.

That opinion is insane. What kind of madness says that people should be punished if they read the signals wrong. I don't know what kind of world you want but I doubt many men and women would want it. Maybe you want people signing contracts before they can 'fcuk'.....You think I display 'male privilege' and I think you're a misandrist. We are so far apart on this stuff.

Have you ever been to a nightclub? You'd have to shut them all down.

That you cannot see that this is Exhibit A of male privilege is as mindboggling as it is sad. You are responsible for your own behavior so, if you read signals wrong and go overboard as a result, pushing things into the territory of harassment, then that's all on you.

You have no God-given right to speak to, let alone proposition, anyone you want to just because you think they might be sending you signals. If that means you don't get your leg over that night, well, tough-titty.

This isn't about signing contracts or any other hyperbolic nonsense you want to try and bleed into this issue. It's about equal treatment and respect of others. If you want to talk to someone, go and talk to them. If they tell you to do one, then do one. There's nothing wrong with any of that. But if you won't go away when asked or react negatively to being rebuffed, that's when a line is being crossed into harassment.

For what it's worth, this is the world we live in, whether you like it or not.

Edited by Ray in Houston (16 Nov 2017 9.09pm)