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 Mr Palaceman  03 Sep 17 10.27pm |
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Originally posted by iheartcpfc
Like it or not more and more are questioning Dear Leader. It's been a long time coming, we've been chancing our way through this league and the luck was going to run out eventually. When you look at how West Brom, Saints, Leicester and Burnley are run we do not compare favourably and all the marquee signings in the world will not cover that up. but of course we're all s*** fans, Parish can do no wrong etc etc etc Our club is better run than West Brom, Burnley, Leicester and Southhampton. The latest figures I could find Showed that we had money in the bank, while the others were in debt apart from Burnley. We are also now one of the better payers when it comes to wages and we were, I think 8th in the transfer spending league for the last few years. So how do we "not compare favourably", please explain. We have a well run club. Although not perfect, others can only wish their finances were as good as ours. I also think we have a good team, yeah, I said it... And if we can get a manager that can play the team to their strengths, as any team, also a manager that believes in us the way the support do, we would be contenders. That is the Palace dream, we should be but.... We have always been a club with huge potential, alas unfulfilled... Ever... Almost but never.. But I'm still looking for a Zenith Data Sytems Final shirt. I don't love us for the unfulfilled bit but I do for the hope that we will get there once in a while and as far as I'm concerned, 5 years in THIS current Premier League, is a serious achievement for our club, as it is for at least 8 or 9 other clubs in the league and that status extents across European football. A massive achievement. Our expectations have risen year on year, our club is only a little way behind and that's saying something, imho.
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TheExpatEagle  03 Sep 17 11.05pm |
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid
Who were the interviews with ? One on Sky, one on BT Sports after Burnley at home, on Talk Sport, BBC Sportsweek, one on US radio, which is on my Soundcloud channel. There have been others. Funny thing is, I work, live in Sweden but I still take in all podcasts, watch all tv interviews, listen to interviews and so on. Some of you lot have no excuse for not being more informed. Newspapers can offer a little but most of the time the quotes are taken out of context or twisted a little. I think 90% of all the arguments I have with people are because the other person hasn't bothered to do more than watch a game or the highlights on tv so they speak about things without the required information then accusing the rest of us of making stuff up. I once had an argument with someone slagging players off when all they had is read a match report whereas I watched the game live on TV and suffered the highlights later that night.
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| TheExpatEagle 03 Sep 17 11.12pm |
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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman
I have no problem reading reports and watching interviews. What I am referring to in your post was...
Show me the interview, where Sam has said that he left because of transfers. In fact off the top of my head, Big Sam referred to the board as "backing him big time" with upward of 36m in transfers and also stated, "I have to thank them for that". That was from an interview that he did for sky after he had left us. So your conclusion after reading all the reports and interviews is more about what you think or wanted to want to have happened, than what has actually been stated by all parties and then you present your conclusion as both managers facing the same non-existent problem. I'm sure there were problems but your analysis of the situation is not only speculation on your part but wholly inaccurate. And yet, you blog about Palace... In the interview you mentioned he was talking about January and he has a confidentiality clause preventing him from saying anything at the moment. He is grateful for the backing the board gave him up to and including May. The summer is a different issue. I am going by interviews where I have heard him speak not by anything I've read. The last 3 weeks on Sky other ex-pros who are friendly with Sam have also illuded that he walked away because of a lack of summer funds. It's not speculation and it isn't inaccurate but you welcome to believe what ever truth gives you the most comfort. If you want to chase the speculation monkeys then go after the ones who claim he had a close friend die in the Manchester Bomb, which is totally untrue. They claim that made him retire but he decided over a week before that happened.
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chateauferret  03 Sep 17 11.35pm |
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Originally posted by TheExpatEagle
In the interview you mentioned he was talking about January and he has a confidentiality clause preventing him from saying anything at the moment. He is grateful for the backing the board gave him up to and including May. The summer is a different issue. I am going by interviews where I have heard him speak not by anything I've read. The last 3 weeks on Sky other ex-pros who are friendly with Sam have also illuded that he walked away because of a lack of summer funds. It's not speculation and it isn't inaccurate but you welcome to believe what ever truth gives you the most comfort. If you want to chase the speculation monkeys then go after the ones who claim he had a close friend die in the Manchester Bomb, which is totally untrue. They claim that made him retire but he decided over a week before that happened. Explain then why he isn't working somewhere else and has made it clear that he doesn't want to, at least excluding working for a national team.
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| alaneagle1 Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 03 Sep 17 11.51pm |
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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman
He didn't want a particular style, he wanted changes that meant we wouldn't be relegation fodder every season. He picked Frank to do it. For me the jury is obviously out on Frank however, he needs more than 3 or even 4 matches. His start is comparable to other managers that were given more time. Agreed Mr Palaceman that's all SP said.
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| Midlands Eagle 04 Sep 17 6.27am |
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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman
Our club is better run than West Brom, Burnley, Leicester and Southhampton. The latest figures I could find Showed that we had money in the bank, while the others were in debt apart from Burnley. There's nothing wrong with being in debt as long as it's sustainable and manageable after all most of the country's major corporations have borrowings
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| spartakev2 Anerley 04 Sep 17 6.55am |
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Originally posted by TheExpatEagle
In the interview you mentioned he was talking about January and he has a confidentiality clause preventing him from saying anything at the moment. He is grateful for the backing the board gave him up to and including May. The summer is a different issue. I am going by interviews where I have heard him speak not by anything I've read. The last 3 weeks on Sky other ex-pros who are friendly with Sam have also illuded that he walked away because of a lack of summer funds. It's not speculation and it isn't inaccurate but you welcome to believe what ever truth gives you the most comfort. If you want to chase the speculation monkeys then go after the ones who claim he had a close friend die in the Manchester Bomb, which is totally untrue. They claim that made him retire but he decided over a week before that happened. After what we spent in january, if he was expecting a big transfer budget in the summer he must have been mad. Surely he's man enough to say something like. ...I'm leaving because with the money available I feel I cznt take palace any further....if that was the case?
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| TheExpatEagle 04 Sep 17 11.55am |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
Explain then why he isn't working somewhere else and has made it clear that he doesn't want to, at least excluding working for a national team. Do you need me to tie your shoe laces for you as well? A clause in his contract linked to the bonus payment he received. Look up Parish v Pulis court case if you need more help. You seem to be a little niece to the football world if you don't know about contracts, clauses and the like. As Parish is famous for saying "you don't know what you don't know!" In other words how do you know what exists if you are not allowed to be told about it? Just like the super injunctions where you can not only not disclose information but you can also not disclose that you are not allowed to disclose the information. Edited by TheExpatEagle (04 Sep 2017 11.59am)
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| TheExpatEagle 04 Sep 17 11.57am |
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Originally posted by spartakev2
After what we spent in january, if he was expecting a big transfer budget in the summer he must have been mad. Surely he's man enough to say something like. ...I'm leaving because with the money available I feel I cznt take palace any further....if that was the case? As I mentioned to another poster, it's called confidentiality agreement. You have to tow the party line to get your payment. Maybe *if* he said what you mentioned then he wouldn't get bonuses and it suits everyone to not open that can of worms. Why hurt the club when there was no need to?
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| Mr Palaceman 04 Sep 17 12.34pm |
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Originally posted by TheExpatEagle
In the interview you mentioned he was talking about January and he has a confidentiality clause preventing him from saying anything at the moment. He is grateful for the backing the board gave him up to and including May. The summer is a different issue. I am going by interviews where I have heard him speak not by anything I've read. The last 3 weeks on Sky other ex-pros who are friendly with Sam have also illuded that he walked away because of a lack of summer funds. It's not speculation and it isn't inaccurate but you welcome to believe what ever truth gives you the most comfort. If you want to chase the speculation monkeys then go after the ones who claim he had a close friend die in the Manchester Bomb, which is totally untrue. They claim that made him retire but he decided over a week before that happened. Fair point, he saw talking about January. You talk about the clause in his contract that prevents him from speaking but then go on to say that you are taking your info from what Sam has said himself. These interviews where you have heard Sam himself speak about the issue. What did he actually say. Sources please or links. That would clear up the issue.
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| chateauferret 04 Sep 17 12.47pm |
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Originally posted by TheExpatEagle
Do you need me to tie your shoe laces for you as well? A clause in his contract linked to the bonus payment he received. Look up Parish v Pulis court case if you need more help. You seem to be a little niece to the football world if you don't know about contracts, clauses and the like. Edited by TheExpatEagle (04 Sep 2017 11.59am) This has been done to death on here, but Allardyce gave his reasons for leaving, and calling those into question is to call him a liar; and calling someone a liar requires evidence. What it says in his contract is no evidence at all as to what was in his mind. He was asked the other day if he now wanted back and he said "No". And if he wanted another job BTW that contract clause would be no great impediment. It would only require another club to pay the compensation to Palace, just as if they were buying him out as we did with Pardew. ISTR it was £2m and Wet Spam for example might think that were cheap at twice the price right now. I'm not even sure it's payable at all if the club concerned isn't in the English leagues. I know enough about contracts to know that they are not straightjackets, thank you very much. Edited by chateauferret (04 Sep 2017 12.49pm)
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 04 Sep 17 3.22pm |
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Originally posted by Westina
Just my two pennies worth Negativity is part and parcel of running a football club, and without constructive criticism nothing would ever improve. Where we were 7 years ago is irrelevant when talking about current performances and constantly being shockingly slow in the transfer market. Look at Leicester came up same year we did, look at Bournemouth came up the tear after we did, and we couldn't compete for Wiltshire's signature, who IS a class player. Watford came up as well the year after and are currently doing better than us, as are Burnley. We have only played one of the teams promoted last year from the championship, and Huddersfield battered us at home and it could have 5 or 6 nil, AT HOME. it remains to be seen how we fair against Newcastle and the weed, but right now I'm not confident at all. We are now an established Premier league team with a fantastic squad full of class players. I tried to be objective in replying to that statement, but I can't. It is pure fantasy, and if you really believe that tripe, I have some magic beans for sale. We are NOT an established premiership side, we have flirted with relegation in all but one of seasons in the top flight. We havent even been in the prem as long as the Clowns were FFS. Fantastic squad ?? are you on glue ? we have a decent first eleven, but if one of those gets injured look at who comes in to replace them, Chungy ? Damo ? Kelly ? We don't have cover for Benteke, and our best Goalie is nearer 50 than 30. Great squad my hairy love eggs ! Good first 11, well decent enough, but fantastic squad ? are you that guy from the lego movie ? Yesterday we added to that with a player that last year was simply an inspiration to the whole club and we have to thank Steve for getting his man....his relentless persuit of Sakho has meant he has come home...at the right price. Palace the only club that could take that long to get a player in, that we had on loan anyway, was mates with three of our players, and said he wanted to move to the club. Still took us to deadline day JOKE. We have entered our 25 man squad for the most expensive league in professional football with only 24 players. How in name of a flying monkey fcuk is that anything other than utterly unprofessional, forgetting of course that we STILL need a striker and a new keeper (meanwhile the weed sign Krul right under our noses). We have, in every season thus far in the prem, been totally outfought, out thought and out bid by smaller clubs like Bournemouth. If you think that entering a 24 man squad, when you are allowed 25, constantly starting seasons under prepared and undermanned (despite being in the same boat for 4 seasons prior)Losing the best two managers in the clubs history (Pulis and BFS) and the undeniable fact that the entire English speaking world knows your Keeper is pony, and you have no over at striker...is acceptable then I can't help you. Yes we have missed out on a goalkeeper and a forward but only because Steve was not happy with the deals on offer...we have the loan market to get us through to January. Goal keeper and striker where of the utmost importance, where do we spend nearly 30 million ? a defender, that unless we go back to four at the back will be no better in a three, than what we currently have. Klop is no mug, he knows MS is a center back who plays in a back four, a system we cuurently do not play. And no we don't have the Loan marketm as we already have our quota of Loan players, we can now only look to loan from abroad. If FDB is not the right man Steve will deal with this in his own time. FDB wasn't the right man for Inter Milan FFS what in the name of all thats holy makes you think he's a good fit for palace, you can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. Play to our strengths 451 or 4411 and we start this season with 7 points whereas 3 games in we have none. I totally agree that in normal circumstances 3 games is far to early for calling for the managers head, IM NOT DOING THAT just to be clear. What I am doing is hyper critical of a manager whose system does not, and will not work with our playing staff. Furthermore I am saying that whilst SP AND 2010 saved the club 7 years ago, they are not above criticism when it is richly and thoroughly deserved.
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