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 Painter  Croydon 04 Jul 17 6.49pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Phew, thank god there are no connections then between May's new friends the DUP and terrorists. Its worth remembering that whilst Corbyn, an back bencher, was cosy with the Provisional IRA and Sinn Fein, Thatcher was courting Pinochet, who overthrew a democratically elected government, and was responsible for the murder of upwards of 80,000 people and tried to protect him from actual justice. I don't think its new, all governments worldwide cosy up to ever they think either sell something too or benefit them in some way.
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| matt_himself Matataland 04 Jul 17 10.01pm |
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May is politically dead, and rightly so. #moggmentum
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| wordup 05 Jul 17 2.18pm |
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Sixtus Dominic Boniface Christopher Rees-Mogg for PM
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 05 Jul 17 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by Painter
I don't think its new, all governments worldwide cosy up to ever they think either sell something too or benefit them in some way. Neoliberalism is starting to die and rightfully so.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 05 Jul 17 2.43pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Ha ha. Coming from the king of whataboutery. The difference between the DUP and the Sinn Fein is that the the latter, using the IRA, wanted to subvert democracy by bombing Britain. The Protestants had the majority in NI at the time through a democratic process. Now we can argue about the formation of NI in the first place but that was the reality at the time. Labour would have formed a coalition with Hitler if it kept them in power and you know it. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Jul 2017 6.44pm) I thought Chamberlain was a Tory?
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Jul 17 2.58pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Ha ha. Coming from the king of whataboutery. The difference between the DUP and the Sinn Fein is that the the latter, using the IRA, wanted to subvert democracy by bombing Britain. The Protestants had the majority in NI at the time through a democratic process. Now we can argue about the formation of NI in the first place but that was the reality at the time. Labour would have formed a coalition with Hitler if it kept them in power and you know it. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Jul 2017 6.44pm) Well of course Stalin did just that and the left in Britain praised him for it at the time.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jul 17 3.42pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
I thought Chamberlain was a Tory? Chamberlain tried to avoid a war that we could not win. Without events making America and Russia get involved, we would have been a part of greater Germany. I am suggesting that Labour would do anything to get power regardless of the damage done.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Jul 17 3.52pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Ha ha. Coming from the king of whataboutery. The difference between the DUP and the Sinn Fein is that the the latter, using the IRA, wanted to subvert democracy by bombing Britain. The Protestants had the majority in NI at the time through a democratic process. Now we can argue about the formation of NI in the first place but that was the reality at the time. Labour would have formed a coalition with Hitler if it kept them in power and you know it. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Jul 2017 6.44pm) Hmmm so the Loyalists never bombed NI or murdered Catholics in order to subvert British Politics and democracy. Its a bit like arguing who was better Hitler or Stalin, there's no gain, because neither is acceptable.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Jul 17 3.54pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Hmmm so the Loyalists never bombed NI or murdered Catholics in order to subvert British Politics and democracy. Its a bit like arguing who was better Hitler or Stalin, there's no gain, because neither is acceptable. But the DUP did not bomb or murder people. whereas the IRA aka Sin Fein did.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Jul 17 3.56pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Chamberlain tried to avoid a war that we could not win. Without events making America and Russia get involved, we would have been a part of greater Germany. I am suggesting that Labour would do anything to get power regardless of the damage done. Probably not. Neither the US or Russia entered the war until the British Military had achieved successes in Africa. Now the British probably wouldn't have been able to win the war without the US and Russia, but once the Battle of Britain was won, Germany was never going to be able to invade. In all likelihood, if the US hadn't gotten involved, the Soviet Union would have consumed Europe or if the two had maintained peace, most of Europe would have been occupied Germany. By 1941 the fate of the UK is pretty much secured from Invasion.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Jul 17 3.57pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
But the DUP did not bomb or murder people. whereas the IRA aka Sin Fein did. Maybe I missed something, but I'm pretty sure the NI Catholics count as being people and British. Groups like the UVF, UFF, Red Hand Commandos were very much acting on behalf of the DUP and UDA
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Jul 17 4.03pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Probably not. Neither the US or Russia entered the war until the British Military had achieved successes in Africa. Now the British probably wouldn't have been able to win the war without the US and Russia, but once the Battle of Britain was won, Germany was never going to be able to invade. In all likelihood, if the US hadn't gotten involved, the Soviet Union would have consumed Europe or if the two had maintained peace, most of Europe would have been occupied Germany. By 1941 the fate of the UK is pretty much secured from Invasion. Spot on Jamie, I was about to post something similar myself. (Pity your grasp of history slackens when you keep on saying the DUP are as bad as Sin Fein/IRA.)
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