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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 06 Jun 15 11.51pm |
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Britain's top police officer controversially branded all sections of society ‘institutionally racist’ yesterday. Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said it is not only police forces which fail to represent the varied communities they serve. The judiciary, medical profession, media and government are all dominated by the white middle classes, he suggested. And the Scotland Yard boss admitted that there is ‘some justification' for people to think of his London force as a racist organisation.
Disgusting comments from my 'leader'... Saying what he thinks will make the left and ethnic groups love him. Your officers are on there knees Mr Hogan-Howe. Their tired, under staffed, over worked, pissed off and instead of trying to lift them you twist the knife in even more... No wonder the job is f***ed with him in charge.
Change the record gusset......Getting really tedious now. No.
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Quote derben at 06 Jun 2015 7.51pm
generally speaking, black people run faster. I'm just going to leave this one hanging...
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| lankygit Lincoln 07 Jun 15 5.29am |
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Given that we are, according to the current anthropological axiom, all descended from common ancestry (and therefore all of the same race irrespective of skin colour, country of origin etc.) how can racism, as we define it, even be a possibility? Did anyone watch that recent documentary on The Beeb about the two Chinese orphan twin girls? Edited by lankygit (07 Jun 2015 5.47am) Edited by lankygit (07 Jun 2015 5.49am)
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| derben 07 Jun 15 8.21am |
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Quote lankygit at 07 Jun 2015 5.29am
Given that we are, according to the current anthropological axiom, all descended from common ancestry (and therefore all of the same race irrespective of skin colour, country of origin etc.) how can racism, as we define it, even be a possibility? Did anyone watch that recent documentary on The Beeb about the two Chinese orphan twin girls? Edited by lankygit (07 Jun 2015 5.47am) Edited by lankygit (07 Jun 2015 5.49am) Chinese takeaways - were there prawn crackers in with them?
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jun 15 8.50am |
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Quote Seth at 07 Jun 2015 2.49am
Quote derben at 06 Jun 2015 7.51pm
generally speaking, black people run faster.
Genes really don't care about egalitarianism. Similarly people from the Netherlands are on average a lot taller than Chinese people.....It's a statistical fact, whether people point fingers at it or not.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jun 15 10.07am |
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Quote TheJudge at 05 Jun 2015 12.29pm
You are not talking about numbers. The Romans and Normans influenced the country because the took control of government by force. Because no one actually has any real knowledge of the actual numbers. Certainly the number were presumably sufficient for say William to defeat Harold militarily and put down the Northern Rebellion shortly after. And of course once settled they brought family over and servants, and over time began to marry into the local populations. The roman army of Claudius invasion was four legions, about 20,000 troops and around 20,000 auxilleries. The estimated population of the UK at the time is around 4m. Which is pretty big. Notably when the Doomesday census put the population of England, during the 11th century at between 1.5m and 2m - Estimates of Williams Army are between 8,000 and 12,000 men. Later backed by about 8000 initial settlers given lands and titles by William etc. So not exactly insignificant numbers, with a population even of 2m. Edited by jamiemartin721 (05 Jun 2015 1.10pm)
That's not what you said though, it was about numbers - they weren't insignificant. Actually we all voted for it, we elected the political parties that were part of the EU agreements. We didn't have a referendum, but no one actually really seemed to care about it, until the economy bit it (ie when there wasn't a competition for the jobs). But the Roman soldiers all went home as there weren't many Normans. The only real significance is that they both changed our culture enormously. What do you think the 318,000 arriving here every year will do ? Actually my point originally was with the idea you presented of a British Culture and that it is eroded by migration (rather than simply changed). You presented its effect on culture as negative, where as I was attempting to demonstrate its impact is simply to change cultural groups in the UK in much the same way that culture just changes over time (and that migration has a positive and negative effect on British Culture). Probably, but they'd have been replaced by new legions and a lot would have stayed and of course larger numbers of settlers would have arrived each year, including Roman beuracrats and their families etc. Currently net migration is 318,000 a year, about half a million people come to the UK each year and 314,000 leave. Ideally, we need to bring those two numbers closer together. 2014 saw the lowest number of applications for citizenship since 2002.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jun 15 10.14am |
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But the Roman soldiers all went home as there weren't many Normans. The only real significance is that they both changed our culture enormously. What do you think the 318,000 arriving here every year will do ?
I wonder if the Normans said that? Apparently we had a problem with our cultural life not being exciting enough before large scale immigration....Mmmm..I don't remember that....In fact what I remember was a more cohesive society more comfortable with its lot compared to now.......Certainly among the working class. We should be celebrating how all these immigrants are doing jobs which.....apparently our own population are refusing to do. Apparently our own population wish to stay on the dole rather than have a job......That's the implication from the left on immigration even when they criticise the right for attacking the welfare 'undeserving'. You know personally I've never met a young British person who when presented with a job opportunity that would pay their bills and give them a life actually turned it down.....I'm sure they exist but not in anything like the numbers suggested. But I have met immigrants who are happy to work for low wages in large rental accommodation so that they can hoard their cash, regularly send it out of the country to dependents and after they have built up a reasonable war chest go home to buy property. Good for them.....But compared to how a working class British worker spends their cash it's a poor substitute. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2015 6.55pm) So why aren't the UK workers taking those jobs? It ultimately because they can't afford to and don't have the capacity to do so (ie travel to the areas of work). Essentially the problem has never actually been the migrants, but the way in which corporations and governments in the UK have allowed a situation to occur, which is ultimately driven by profitability (ie keeping wages low). This has ultimately undermined the British Working class and defined its cultural experience, than simply migrants. Of course now governments want to present it as a problem of migration. But it never was, it was the failure of governments to ensure that wages in the UK were determined fairly in line with costs of living, rather than driven by corporate profitability. The failure to use the minimum wage to make jobs as attractive to naturalised unemploed workers as migrant workers was the great betrayal of Labour, which the Conservatives have simply continued.
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| Steptoe 07 Jun 15 11.19am |
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Many on here are more defined by their politics than their nationality or race really. I think that's less of a factor in society at large though regardless of who votes for whom.
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| lankygit Lincoln 07 Jun 15 12.50pm |
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Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 8.21am
Quote lankygit at 07 Jun 2015 5.29am
Given that we are, according to the current anthropological axiom, all descended from common ancestry (and therefore all of the same race irrespective of skin colour, country of origin etc.) how can racism, as we define it, even be a possibility? Did anyone watch that recent documentary on The Beeb about the two Chinese orphan twin girls? Edited by lankygit (07 Jun 2015 5.47am) Edited by lankygit (07 Jun 2015 5.49am) Chinese takeaways - were there prawn crackers in with them?
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jun 15 1.45pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Jun 2015 10.14am
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Quote TheJudge at 06 Jun 2015 6.08pm
But the Roman soldiers all went home as there weren't many Normans. The only real significance is that they both changed our culture enormously. What do you think the 318,000 arriving here every year will do ?
I wonder if the Normans said that? Apparently we had a problem with our cultural life not being exciting enough before large scale immigration....Mmmm..I don't remember that....In fact what I remember was a more cohesive society more comfortable with its lot compared to now.......Certainly among the working class. We should be celebrating how all these immigrants are doing jobs which.....apparently our own population are refusing to do. Apparently our own population wish to stay on the dole rather than have a job......That's the implication from the left on immigration even when they criticise the right for attacking the welfare 'undeserving'. You know personally I've never met a young British person who when presented with a job opportunity that would pay their bills and give them a life actually turned it down.....I'm sure they exist but not in anything like the numbers suggested. But I have met immigrants who are happy to work for low wages in large rental accommodation so that they can hoard their cash, regularly send it out of the country to dependents and after they have built up a reasonable war chest go home to buy property. Good for them.....But compared to how a working class British worker spends their cash it's a poor substitute. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2015 6.55pm) So why aren't the UK workers taking those jobs? It ultimately because they can't afford to and don't have the capacity to do so (ie travel to the areas of work). Essentially the problem has never actually been the migrants, but the way in which corporations and governments in the UK have allowed a situation to occur, which is ultimately driven by profitability (ie keeping wages low). This has ultimately undermined the British Working class and defined its cultural experience, than simply migrants. Of course now governments want to present it as a problem of migration. But it never was, it was the failure of governments to ensure that wages in the UK were determined fairly in line with costs of living, rather than driven by corporate profitability. The failure to use the minimum wage to make jobs as attractive to naturalised unemploed workers as migrant workers was the great betrayal of Labour, which the Conservatives have simply continued. There's a fair amount of sense in that. However, what's this constant refrain about the NHS falling down if it had less migrant workers? Is there a bias against British workers? Our youth deserve a chance.....They will spend their money here not ship it out into their own country.
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| derben 07 Jun 15 2.15pm |
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"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
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| Steptoe 07 Jun 15 3.05pm |
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Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 2.15pm
"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
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