So in your opinion, no one who has a good upbringing with an otherwise normal brain can fancy young girls/boys?

In short, I just think you're wrong Kermy......The world just isn't like that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jul 2014 7.27pm)

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What exactly is your point on this thread? It seems you don't agree with the Harris verdict and there are genetic issues with people that have a propensity for child molestation. But, I don't know where you are trying to get to here? Personally I'm chuffed with the Harris verdict and anyone with a propensity for child molestation needs to be punished whether or not they can help it. If I live in the Stone Age then good!!

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It's difficult because it's such an emotive issue when kids are involved.

Homosexual behaviour was, until comparatively recently, illegal in the UK. In many countries it still is. That doesn't stop gay people in those countries from having the same sexual urges, it just stops them acting on them and staying within the law.

I don't think you can necessarily stop someone with paedo tendencies from fancying kids (sick as most of us find it) but there is a HUGE difference between thinking 'phwoar' and doing something about it.

I think that's a valid point which is what I'm deriving from Stirling's posts (and could be a complete misunderstanding of course).

Let's not forget that we consider ourselves enlightened these days because we see gay people and say 'meh, whatever', whereas only recently the vast majority of the public would've seen them in a similar light to the way we see paedos now. Also that many old civilisations did not see kiddy fiddlers as particularly abhorrent - times and society change. What my ancestors saw as disgusting will not match what I see as disgusting, and vice versa.

When someone pulls a 14 year old (with consent) we all shout "sick pervert" but there are countries we'd see as enlightened who would not even see it as illegal.

Back on track, howeever, I'm hugely disappointed. I don't know enough to know whether he's guily or not, but either way there are only two possibilities, both of which I find unpalletable:
1. he's not guilty and an innocent man is going to jail
2. he's guilty as sin, and a bloke I always thought fondly of is a predatory nonce

Yes, in some cases thats probably true, its preferential offending, in that usually such a nonse will have adult relationships, but typically they're not regarded as providing real gratification, which is where preference comes in. In psychiatric terms its generally seen as a fetish, in that whilst the individual can obtain sexual pleasure from adults, its children that 'really' fulfill that sexual desire.

In many examples of paedophila the degree you see evidence of offenders slowly graduating to sexual abuse, and attempts to stave off their desire through proxies.

Its very hard to imagine just how powerful a 'sexual fetish' can be in a paraphilia, and how much it can drive someone.

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And here is an interesting quote from an interview Rolf did with the Guardian in 2001:

In 1985, he made Britain's first programme warning children about sex abuse. Years earlier he had seen a teacher friend who had told him that she had just given a talk to her pupils about abuse and, halfway through, a child ran out of the classroom and vomited up his past. Harris says he was naive, he didn't know that such things happened, and he became determined to address the subject on telly. He was told that it would be the death of his career. Typically, Harris not only made the programme, he managed to do it with a sing-song element. And he starts singing. "My body's no body's body but mine/You take care of your body/I'll look after mine."

So you can't say he didn't know how much damage he was doing.