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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 08 Apr 13 6.30pm
Original re-posted with discussion to make sense. for filler... As someone who was out on the streets protesting in the 80s, boy did she get a lot wrong. For those old enough, in 83, she was on her way out until the her biggest gamble, bought on by her Governments own lack of foresight, the Falklands Conflict. Edited by pefwin (08 Apr 2013 6.38pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 08 Apr 13 6.30pm

Original re-posted with discussion to make sense.

for filler...

As someone who was out on the streets protesting in the 80s, boy did she get a lot wrong.

For those old enough, in 83, she was on her way out until the her biggest gamble, bought on by her Governments own lack of foresight, the Falklands Conflict.

Edited by pefwin (08 Apr 2013 6.38pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 08 Apr 13 6.31pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 08 Apr 2013 6.19pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Apr 2013 6.11pm Quote ABBO at 08 Apr 2013 5.33pm There are numerous comments about her attack on the miners but does any one know how many mines have been reopened since 1997. if they were so economical surely Labour would have rushed to appease the unions but they did not proving her right. The seventies were an on going disaster for the Uk with many over manned industries left behind by a new breed of industrial nations with a lower cost base that ultimately led to the death of industry in the Uk. She may have an uncareing bitch but she moved Britain out of the dark ages. Mines that had lain dormant for 14 years? Be realistic. Coal was always going to be more economical to import, that wasn't the issue, it had been for some time, the issue was that entire regions of the country were entirely dependent on mining for employment and the local economy. The consequence was that those areas were economically destroyed for generations as few jobs existed locally outside of mining, and they were based in fairly remote areas which would not attract new business. The economical reasons for closing mining was pretty sound, it wasn't ever going to be a profitable enterprise except in a few areas. The social impact of the closure of so many mines in a short space of time, was to consign entire generations to the dole - These areas saw increasing social problems related to poverty, including high suicide rates, substance abuse, crime, violence and a steady decline in education and employment. Edited by jamiemartin721 (08 Apr 2013 6.12pm) Fully agree and the mines would have closed eventually anyway, but the miners were daft enough to elect Arthur Scargill as their leader, knowing that his agenda was a political one. It was obvious that they would be used as his cannon fodder to overthrow the Government and bring Marxism to the UK. Of course the aftermath could have been handled much better, but the battle had to be fought, and won. But 30 years down the line, we are talking about a potential energy crisis in the UK and we did have circa 200 years reserves. Not a total panacea, but part of an overall. Ok I truly blame those who saw gas turbines as a solution to Kyoto even us in hock to Russian supply. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 08 Apr 13 6.31pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 08 Apr 2013 6.19pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Apr 2013 6.11pm

Quote ABBO at 08 Apr 2013 5.33pm

There are numerous comments about her attack on the miners but does any one know how many mines have been reopened since 1997. if they were so economical surely Labour would have rushed to appease the unions but they did not proving her right. The seventies were an on going disaster for the Uk with many over manned industries left behind by a new breed of industrial nations with a lower cost base that ultimately led to the death of industry in the Uk. She may have an uncareing bitch but she moved Britain out of the dark ages.

Mines that had lain dormant for 14 years? Be realistic. Coal was always going to be more economical to import, that wasn't the issue, it had been for some time, the issue was that entire regions of the country were entirely dependent on mining for employment and the local economy. The consequence was that those areas were economically destroyed for generations as few jobs existed locally outside of mining, and they were based in fairly remote areas which would not attract new business.

The economical reasons for closing mining was pretty sound, it wasn't ever going to be a profitable enterprise except in a few areas. The social impact of the closure of so many mines in a short space of time, was to consign entire generations to the dole - These areas saw increasing social problems related to poverty, including high suicide rates, substance abuse, crime, violence and a steady decline in education and employment.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (08 Apr 2013 6.12pm)

Fully agree and the mines would have closed eventually anyway, but the miners were daft enough to elect Arthur Scargill as their leader, knowing that his agenda was a political one. It was obvious that they would be used as his cannon fodder to overthrow the Government and bring Marxism to the UK.

Of course the aftermath could have been handled much better, but the battle had to be fought, and won.

But 30 years down the line, we are talking about a potential energy crisis in the UK and we did have circa 200 years reserves. Not a total panacea, but part of an overall.

Ok I truly blame those who saw gas turbines as a solution to Kyoto even us in hock to Russian supply.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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stateside Norfolk 08 Apr 13 6.33pm
THE LADY HAD BALLS.unlike todays lot. if she said it she ment it. Everyone knew where they were with her. Respect is a easy word to say for her ...RIP.
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Norfolk 08 Apr 13 6.33pm

THE LADY HAD BALLS.unlike todays lot. if she said it she ment it. Everyone knew where they were with her.
Respect is a easy word to say for her ...RIP.

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 08 Apr 13 6.35pm
People think Thatcher did damage to this country? Well that c"t gordon brown has done far more damage to this country than she ever did. Compared to the 12 years of leftist bull5ht we've had she did some good things. R.I.P to the iron lady.
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Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 08 Apr 13 6.35pm

People think Thatcher did damage to this country?
Well that c"*t gordon brown has done far more damage to this country than she ever did.
Compared to the 12 years of leftist bull5h*t we've had she did some good things.

R.I.P to the iron lady.

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Kermit8 Hevon 08 Apr 13 6.35pm
Quote kingdowieonthewall at 08 Apr 2013 6.30pm the north / south divide,issue was never greater than the miners closures & strikes. Many had a feck em attitude to the miners & north in general. I was very left wing at the time and had (very) minor involvement with fund raising, food parcels etc.for the unions. Often met a hostile reaction from those,this side of the fence. knew coppers that had to work up north. very messy, divisive & wrong. There was a split across the country. The selling off of council homes only lined the pockets of individuals, as a one off. I hated that woman so much at the time. Little did I know what 'new' labour had in store. voted tory for the first time in my life at the last election. Thatcher may be dead but (real) labour died decades ago. Edited by kingdowieonthewall (08 Apr 2013 6.31pm) Edited by kingdowieonthewall (08 Apr 2013 6.31pm) Blair was so centre-right. He had the foresight to see that his political ambition would be best achieved not in his natural party but the other lot. If only John Smith hadn't gone and snuffed it Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote kingdowieonthewall at 08 Apr 2013 6.30pm

the north / south divide,issue was never greater than the miners closures & strikes.
Many had a feck em attitude to the miners & north in general.
I was very left wing at the time and had (very) minor involvement with fund raising, food parcels etc.for the unions.
Often met a hostile reaction from those,this side of the fence.
knew coppers that had to work up north.
very messy, divisive & wrong.
There was a split across the country.
The selling off of council homes only lined the pockets of individuals, as a one off.
I hated that woman so much at the time.
Little did I know what 'new' labour had in store.
voted tory for the first time in my life at the last election.
Thatcher may be dead but (real) labour died decades ago.

Edited by kingdowieonthewall (08 Apr 2013 6.31pm)

Blair was so centre-right. He had the foresight to see that his political ambition would be best achieved not in his natural party but the other lot.

If only John Smith hadn't gone and snuffed it

Big chest and massive boobs

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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 08 Apr 13 6.38pm
Quote pefwin at 08 Apr 2013 6.31pm Quote SloveniaDave at 08 Apr 2013 6.19pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Apr 2013 6.11pm Quote ABBO at 08 Apr 2013 5.33pm There are numerous comments about her attack on the miners but does any one know how many mines have been reopened since 1997. if they were so economical surely Labour would have rushed to appease the unions but they did not proving her right. The seventies were an on going disaster for the Uk with many over manned industries left behind by a new breed of industrial nations with a lower cost base that ultimately led to the death of industry in the Uk. She may have an uncareing bitch but she moved Britain out of the dark ages. Mines that had lain dormant for 14 years? Be realistic. Coal was always going to be more economical to import, that wasn't the issue, it had been for some time, the issue was that entire regions of the country were entirely dependent on mining for employment and the local economy. The consequence was that those areas were economically destroyed for generations as few jobs existed locally outside of mining, and they were based in fairly remote areas which would not attract new business. The economical reasons for closing mining was pretty sound, it wasn't ever going to be a profitable enterprise except in a few areas. The social impact of the closure of so many mines in a short space of time, was to consign entire generations to the dole - These areas saw increasing social problems related to poverty, including high suicide rates, substance abuse, crime, violence and a steady decline in education and employment. Edited by jamiemartin721 (08 Apr 2013 6.12pm) Fully agree and the mines would have closed eventually anyway, but the miners were daft enough to elect Arthur Scargill as their leader, knowing that his agenda was a political one. It was obvious that they would be used as his cannon fodder to overthrow the Government and bring Marxism to the UK. Of course the aftermath could have been handled much better, but the battle had to be fought, and won. But 30 years down the line, we are talking about a potential energy crisis in the UK and we did have circa 200 years reserves. Not a total panacea, but part of an overall. Ok I truly blame those who saw gas turbines as a solution to Kyoto even us in hock to Russian supply. I think it could have been. Of course Thatcher's Government wanted to remove subsidies to the mining industry and that policy led directly to the closure of many pits but if the miners had been prepared to negotiate, I am sure many more would have survived in some form and then potentially others reopened, as technology became more effective and the price went up. Both sides must take some blame for the fact that it ended in destructive confrontation but the miners were the protagonists in the fight. Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)
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Tirana, Albania 08 Apr 13 6.38pm

Quote pefwin at 08 Apr 2013 6.31pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 08 Apr 2013 6.19pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Apr 2013 6.11pm

Quote ABBO at 08 Apr 2013 5.33pm

Edited by jamiemartin721 (08 Apr 2013 6.12pm)

Of course the aftermath could have been handled much better, but the battle had to be fought, and won.

But 30 years down the line, we are talking about a potential energy crisis in the UK and we did have circa 200 years reserves. Not a total panacea, but part of an overall.

Ok I truly blame those who saw gas turbines as a solution to Kyoto even us in hock to Russian supply.

I think it could have been. Of course Thatcher's Government wanted to remove subsidies to the mining industry and that policy led directly to the closure of many pits but if the miners had been prepared to negotiate, I am sure many more would have survived in some form and then potentially others reopened, as technology became more effective and the price went up.

Both sides must take some blame for the fact that it ended in destructive confrontation but the miners were the protagonists in the fight.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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Kermit8 Hevon 08 Apr 13 6.41pm
I could be wrong but didn't the Kent and Nottinghamshire miners - who went against the strike and basically behaved and didn't do anything to upset Thatcher - get shafted too? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 08 Apr 13 6.41pm

I could be wrong but didn't the Kent and Nottinghamshire miners - who went against the strike and basically behaved and didn't do anything to upset Thatcher - get shafted too?

Big chest and massive boobs

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gerry theagle newbury 08 Apr 13 6.43pm
Blimey Moose this post started at 12.51 and has certainly got everyones fingers tapping, whether you're red or blue she had good and bad points depending on your choice of colour but there have been worse PM'S in both parties, as an earlier poster said "she had the balls to carry out her policies" Having read all the posts its a good job we play in RED & BLUE,and not RED OR BLUE,some posters would be demanding a change of kit. R.I.P.
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newbury 08 Apr 13 6.43pm

Blimey Moose this post started at 12.51 and has certainly got everyones fingers tapping, whether you're red or blue she had good and bad points depending on your choice of colour but there have been worse PM'S in both parties, as an earlier poster said "she had the balls to carry out her policies"

Having read all the posts its a good job we play in RED & BLUE,and not RED OR BLUE,some posters would be demanding a change of kit. R.I.P.

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kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 08 Apr 13 6.46pm
Quote Kermit8 at 08 Apr 2013 6.35pm Quote kingdowieonthewall at 08 Apr 2013 6.30pm the north / south divide,issue was never greater than the miners closures & strikes. Many had a feck em attitude to the miners & north in general. I was very left wing at the time and had (very) minor involvement with fund raising, food parcels etc.for the unions. Often met a hostile reaction from those,this side of the fence. knew coppers that had to work up north. very messy, divisive & wrong. There was a split across the country. The selling off of council homes only lined the pockets of individuals, as a one off. I hated that woman so much at the time. Little did I know what 'new' labour had in store. voted tory for the first time in my life at the last election. Thatcher may be dead but (real) labour died decades ago. Edited by kingdowieonthewall (08 Apr 2013 6.31pm) Edited by kingdowieonthewall (08 Apr 2013 6.31pm) Blair was so centre-right. He had the foresight to see that his political ambition would be best achieved not in his natural party but the other lot. If only John Smith hadn't gone and snuffed it gutted when he died. never met him, but was meant to have been exceptional. Wifes relatives(Scottish side, not norn iron) heavily involved with labour and sometimes have an insight. years later,got Gordon instead as punishment. Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents? Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.
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Quote Kermit8 at 08 Apr 2013 6.35pm

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Edited by kingdowieonthewall (08 Apr 2013 6.31pm)

Blair was so centre-right. He had the foresight to see that his political ambition would be best achieved not in his natural party but the other lot.

If only John Smith hadn't gone and snuffed it

gutted when he died.
never met him, but was meant to have been exceptional.
Wifes relatives(Scottish side, not norn iron) heavily involved with labour and sometimes have an insight.
years later,got Gordon instead as punishment.

Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 08 Apr 13 6.47pm
Quote Kermit8 at 08 Apr 2013 6.41pm I could be wrong but didn't the Kent and Nottinghamshire miners - who went against the strike and basically behaved and didn't do anything to upset Thatcher - get shafted too? Completely agree Kermie - they were all shafted by Scargill in the end. Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)
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Tirana, Albania 08 Apr 13 6.47pm

Quote Kermit8 at 08 Apr 2013 6.41pm

I could be wrong but didn't the Kent and Nottinghamshire miners - who went against the strike and basically behaved and didn't do anything to upset Thatcher - get shafted too?

Completely agree Kermie - they were all shafted by Scargill in the end.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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-henben- 08 Apr 13 6.52pm
A very sad day for this nation. Actually choked about this, what a great lady! RIP
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08 Apr 13 6.52pm

A very sad day for this nation. Actually choked about this, what a great lady! RIP

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Kermit8 Hevon 08 Apr 13 6.52pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 08 Apr 2013 6.47pm Quote Kermit8 at 08 Apr 2013 6.41pm I could be wrong but didn't the Kent and Nottinghamshire miners - who went against the strike and basically behaved and didn't do anything to upset Thatcher - get shafted too? Completely agree Kermie - they were all shafted by Scargill in the end. Scamp Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 08 Apr 13 6.52pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 08 Apr 2013 6.47pm

Quote Kermit8 at 08 Apr 2013 6.41pm

I could be wrong but didn't the Kent and Nottinghamshire miners - who went against the strike and basically behaved and didn't do anything to upset Thatcher - get shafted too?

Completely agree Kermie - they were all shafted by Scargill in the end.

Scamp

Big chest and massive boobs

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