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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Heard he was a jealous, jilted boyfriend. That is not going to count as insane. Just what I heard. Yep I read the same - you see far too many of these cases; far too many blokes who feel entitled to a woman and just can't handle the rejection of it.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Yep I read the same - you see far too many of these cases; far too many blokes who feel entitled to a woman and just can't handle the rejection of it. It's usually a bloke who's so insecure and misguided that any bruising to his ego is seemingly the end of the world. I'd put the emphasis on the fragility and therefore inability to handle rejection over entitlement.
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
It's usually a bloke who's so insecure and misguided that any bruising to his ego is seemingly the end of the world. I'd put the emphasis on the fragility and therefore inability to handle rejection over entitlement. I don't think its an either/or, I think both can be true, but certainly agree that insecurity and ego are big players in these type of crimes.
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Men will always contain a subset that are capable of this. Sociopaths and psychopaths are genetic realities and out there more than people may realise, circumstances dictate how they go. Happens in women, but just as autism occurs in women much less often (not saying he was autistic) these types of behaviour occur less often as well. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jul 2024 1.20pm)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Men will always contain a subset that are capable of this. Sociopaths and psychopaths are genetic realities and out there more than people may realise, circumstances dictate how they go. Happens in women, but just as autism occurs in women much less often (not saying he was autistic) these types of behaviour occur less often as well. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jul 2024 1.20pm) I'm not sure I like this explanation - as much as there may be genetic realities, there are also clearly social and cultural norms which are unhelpful as men are developing emotionally.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I'm not sure I like this explanation - as much as there may be genetic realities, there are also clearly social and cultural norms which are unhelpful as men are developing emotionally. Well, I'm not sure that any of us like the fact that sociopaths and psychopaths are born but they are, just as people tending towards other types of behaviour and abilities are born....some useful some not. Stick a psychopath with a great family and environment and you could get a CEO, stick them with some chavs and you'll get a prisoner. You can only affect social and cultural norms so much but yes....However, I think the social and cultural 'norms' of feminism and the cultural attack on boys and masculinity is behind a lot of alienation and anger....Probably not related to this case but it's certainly there. Regardless that certainly isn't going to change over these next five years. Indeed, we will be hearing the usual 'sexism' and 'misogyny' stuff from institutions and the establishment as they continue the same approach to males as before....expecting boys to behave like hall monitor girls when hormonal differences are always going to push different behaviours in a percent and that's just normal and not 'dysfunctional'. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jul 2024 1.48pm)
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I don't think its an either/or, I think both can be true, but certainly agree that insecurity and ego are big players in these type of crimes. Sorry, I've reread my post and even I interpreted it like that! Yes I agree, just communicated it poorly in the first instance.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, I'm not sure that any of us like the fact that sociopaths and psychopaths are born but they are, just as people tending towards other types of behaviour and abilities are born....some useful some not. You can only affect social and cultural norms so much but yes....However, I think the social and cultural 'norms' of feminism and the cultural attack on boys and masculinity is behind a lot of alienation and anger....Probably not related to this case but it's certainly there. Regardless that certainly isn't going to change over these next five years. Indeed, we will be hearing the usual 'sexism' and 'misogyny' stuff from institutions and the establishment as they continue the same approach to males as before....expecting boys to behave like hall monitor girls when hormonal differences are always going to push different behaviours. It's not their existence I am saying I don't like - I don't believe the amount of men committing violent crimes against their (ex)partners can be explained away by the existence of sociopaths and psychopaths. I find the rest of your post a little one-sided - I don't necessarily disagree with some of your observations, but I think 'attacks' on masculinity, in this area specifically, are valid.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I'm not sure I like this explanation - as much as there may be genetic realities, there are also clearly social and cultural norms which are unhelpful as men are developing emotionally. It's clearly both. The genes provide the potential and the environment provides the trigger. With so many people from broken and dysfunctional homes these days, it's no surprise that plenty of men like this are running around. Add the army to it and you have a perfect recipe.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
It's not their existence I am saying I don't like - I don't believe the amount of men committing violent crimes against their (ex)partners can be explained away by the existence of sociopaths and psychopaths. I find the rest of your post a little one-sided - I don't necessarily disagree with some of your observations, but I think 'attacks' on masculinity, in this area specifically, are valid. Certainly, violent tendencies have always been best dealt with by proper channeling by families and schools. We use to have boxing in schools still professions exist for people like this....However sounds like this animal left the army. Regardless while I've never liked the language of 'respecting' women or any other such emasculating language popular today but I'm certainly of the school that any man putting his hands on a woman hasn't been raised properly or is fecked in the head. There are always rare exceptions but women are off limits in that physical sense and all real men know it. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jul 2024 2.13pm)
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It's clearly both. The genes provide the potential and the environment provides the trigger. With so many people from broken and dysfunctional homes these days, it's no surprise that plenty of men like this are running around. Add the army to it and you have a perfect recipe.
Didn't sound like he lasted in the army but I didn't look into it.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Didn't sound like he lasted in the army but I didn't look into it. Who knows. Perhaps they had him down as a bad apple. Pure speculation.
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