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palace99 Flag New Mills 28 Jun 24 9.42am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Rumour has it that Michael Olise was happy to stay for another year but the German club came in with an offer that he just couldn't turn down - Champions League plus a doubling of his wages

i think the Olise transfer is a little bizarre. His agent has managed his career very well, from an agent's perspective, and was very clever in inserting a release clause in both his initial Reading contract and also when he first signed for Palace.

Last summer it is clear that the agent was giving potential buying clubs details of the release clause in a attempt to push through a move. As we know Chelsea met this but the player signed a new contract that doubled his wages.

We also know the release clause was increased, but it is unclear exactly what it is - c£60m has been mentioned.

Clearly, if the release clause is met there is little Palace can do to stop a player leaving. Now it appears Bayern has paid less than this. If so what are we doing?

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jun 24 10.12am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

If we had wanted to keep Olise, I'm sure a big pay rise would have done it. The trouble is that if you have one player on £200k and the others on far less, there is an obvious issue with players wanting pay rises, not to mention the immediate impact on the wages budget.

In this case, the release clause was the problem. It was low because of Olise's rapid rise in profile. Had he been so sought after last season, I'm sure the clause would have been far higher.

Any other players under contract without release clauses cannot leave unless we allow them to. Having lost a star player, I'm sure the board would not sanction another sale unless the money offered was off the scale.

I hope Eze has no desire to leave or has some silly release clause, because the fans of this club deserve better.

They have endured enough mediocrity.

 

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ambrose7 Flag Croydon 28 Jun 24 10.42am Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Having lost a star player, I'm sure the board would not sanction another sale unless the money offered was off the scale.

The one risk being the Guehi situation, otherwise known as the Zaha situation.

Once a player gets into the last 2 years and you know they're going to want to move on in the next 2 years, do you take the market value now (and probably end up £40m odd in the black) or do you let them go on a free, sign a replacement and probably end up ~£20m in the red once you've bought a replacement.

You've got to be a hell of a player for a mid-table Prem club to take a ~£60m financial swing to keep you for 2 years.

 


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Crystal_Clear Flag Belfast 28 Jun 24 11.45am Send a Private Message to Crystal_Clear Add Crystal_Clear as a friend

Not alot the club can do if there are release clause in contracts.

The would not have wanted to sell Olise.

 

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 28 Jun 24 12.27pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If we had wanted to keep Olise, I'm sure a big pay rise would have done it. The trouble is that if you have one player on £200k and the others on far less, there is an obvious issue with players wanting pay rises, not to mention the immediate impact on the wages budget.

In this case, the release clause was the problem. It was low because of Olise's rapid rise in profile. Had he been so sought after last season, I'm sure the clause would have been far higher.

Any other players under contract without release clauses cannot leave unless we allow them to. Having lost a star player, I'm sure the board would not sanction another sale unless the money offered was off the scale.

I hope Eze has no desire to leave or has some silly release clause, because the fans of this club deserve better.

They have endured enough mediocrity.

I doubt it. Wilf essentially trapped himself with payrise after payrise.

Olise has his suiters and will (like all players) want to play at the highest level.

Olise's team would have been pushing for the clause to be low, we would have been pushing high, they would have met somewhere in the middle. At a level that gives us a decent profit, and isn't prohibitive to Olise getting the move he wants.

We cant really moan, we got him for £8m.

 

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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 28 Jun 24 12.41pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

It’s not clubs that want release clauses it’s the players that want them, if the club says no to the players who want them, they will stay then go for free, I thought the whole idea in any business, including football is, buy small, sell big

 


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Originally posted by MrRobbo

I doubt it. Wilf essentially trapped himself with payrise after payrise.

Olise has his suiters and will like all players) want to play at the highest level.

Olise's team would have been pushing for the clause to be low, we would have been pushing high, they would have met somewhere in the middle. At a level that gives us a decent profit, and isn't prohibitive to Olise getting the move he wants.

We cant really moan, we got him for £8m.

My only doubt is about how hard we tried to keep him and if he will ever manage a full season without getting another serious injury.

 

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Originally posted by ambrose7

The one risk being the Guehi situation, otherwise known as the Zaha situation.

Once a player gets into the last 2 years and you know they're going to want to move on in the next 2 years, do you take the market value now (and probably end up £40m odd in the black) or do you let them go on a free, sign a replacement and probably end up ~£20m in the red once you've bought a replacement.

You've got to be a hell of a player for a mid-table Prem club to take a ~£60m financial swing to keep you for 2 years.

He is worth more to us on the field than money in the bank.
However, I'm not quite so convinced by him as others seem to be.

Whatever he loses in value this season, would probably be what we would pay to replace him.

 

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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

It’s not clubs that want release clauses it’s the players that want them, if the club says no to the players who want them, they will stay then go for free, I thought the whole idea in any business, including football is, buy small, sell big

Indeed, it's so the club can't control them and has to let them go. No club is going to force a release clause on a player but might entice a player to sign by offering one. In that case, the club needs to make it as high as possible - as high as the player will accept and ensures the agent gets a big fee.
Olise clearly insisted on this.

 


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ambrose7 Flag Croydon 28 Jun 24 3.41pm Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


He is worth more to us on the field than money in the bank.

With a defence of:

Riad - Andersen - Richards

and a supporting cast of Holding, Lerma, Ward, Clyne (I think I've forgotten someone too)

and no suitable cover for either wing back ... not sure. I think many on here would say we could use ~£60m elsewhere in the team.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Whatever he loses in value this season, would probably be what we would pay to replace him.

That logic only really stands if the club replaces him with a ~£30m signing on a 1 year contract.

Keep Guehi:

2024: £60m value
2025: Sell for £30m, spend £30m

Net Zero

Sell Guehi

2024: Sell £60m, spend £30m = club is up +£30m
2025: Club is £30m up, plus whatever additional value the new signing(s) has acquired.

Selling him now vs next year is a decision worth roughly what we spent on Munoz and Wharton combined. It's not trivial.

 


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Originally posted by ambrose7

That logic only really stands if the club replaces him with a ~£30m signing on a 1 year contract.

Keep Guehi:

2024: £60m value
2025: Sell for £30m, spend £30m

Net Zero

Sell Guehi

2024: Sell £60m, spend £30m = club is up +£30m
2025: Club is £30m up, plus whatever additional value the new signing(s) has acquired.

Selling him now vs next year is a decision worth roughly what we spent on Munoz and Wharton combined. It's not trivial.

So you are yet another modern football fan who seems to care more about bank balances than football.

We have just signed a new centre half so along with Richards, we have 4 quality players along with Clyne and Ward, making 6, to play in a back 3.
We do need cover for Mitchell but that's hardly a reason to sell Guehi.

It amazes me that fans are so happy to see some of the best players we have ever had at the club just walk away with a wish you good luck.

The club will live and die by its performances on the pitch. That is what fans pay to see and that is what keeps us in the top division.
Top players at low prices will not always be available, and our ability to sign quality depends more on the club's ambition than money in the bank.

We are not a top six club.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Jun 2024 3.58pm)

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 28 Jun 24 4.20pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by ambrose7

That logic only really stands if the club replaces him with a ~£30m signing on a 1 year contract.

Keep Guehi:

2024: £60m value
2025: Sell for £30m, spend £30m

Net Zero

Sell Guehi

2024: Sell £60m, spend £30m = club is up +£30m
2025: Club is £30m up, plus whatever additional value the new signing(s) has acquired.

Selling him now vs next year is a decision worth roughly what we spent on Munoz and Wharton combined. It's not trivial.

A good analysis.

 

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