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Teddy Eagle 14 Jun 24 10.11pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Cornwall isn’t a nation or a country. It has a special category. Being Cornish has no real meaning, other than an emotional attachment. We are all English. You can acquire British citizenship and then you are free to regard yourself as English, Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish depending on where you live. My wife’s colleagues children are culturally and emotionally 100% English. Their parents are settled here and not just visiting. The husband has not acquired citizenship solely because there is no need to spend the money. If it was free, he would. His wife has because a British passport naturally followed from her visa route. To suggest the children aren’t English is both legally incorrect and impractical. They are British citizens and not citizens of any other country. They live in Cornwall, which is part of England. They are English and regarded as English by everyone in their circle. What about me and my French grandmother? Must I surrender my English identity too? Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Jun 2024 10.04pm) The only special category Cornwall falls into is the astonishing self regard of the locals. It's no more special than anywhere else.
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14 Jun 24 10.11pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Cornwall isn’t a nation or a country. It has a special category. Being Cornish has no real meaning, other than an emotional attachment. We are all English.

You can acquire British citizenship and then you are free to regard yourself as English, Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish depending on where you live.

My wife’s colleagues children are culturally and emotionally 100% English. Their parents are settled here and not just visiting. The husband has not acquired citizenship solely because there is no need to spend the money. If it was free, he would. His wife has because a British passport naturally followed from her visa route.

To suggest the children aren’t English is both legally incorrect and impractical. They are British citizens and not citizens of any other country. They live in Cornwall, which is part of England. They are English and regarded as English by everyone in their circle.

What about me and my French grandmother? Must I surrender my English identity too?

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Jun 2024 10.04pm)

The only special category Cornwall falls into is the astonishing self regard of the locals. It's no more special than anywhere else.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 24 10.29pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle The only special category Cornwall falls into is the astonishing self regard of the locals. It's no more special than anywhere else. Not actually true. Ignoring the long history which separated Cornwall from England, nowhere else is a “Duchy”. On top of that the people have been recognised as a national minority, giving them the same status as the Welsh, Scots and Irish. It might seem inconsequential to you, but to many here it’s an important step towards more autonomy. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 24 10.29pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The only special category Cornwall falls into is the astonishing self regard of the locals. It's no more special than anywhere else.

Not actually true. Ignoring the long history which separated Cornwall from England, nowhere else is a “Duchy”. On top of that the people have been recognised as a national minority, giving them the same status as the Welsh, Scots and Irish.

It might seem inconsequential to you, but to many here it’s an important step towards more autonomy.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 14 Jun 24 10.33pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Not actually true. Ignoring the long history which separated Cornwall from England, nowhere else is a “Duchy”. On top of that the people have been recognised as a national minority, giving them the same status as the Welsh, Scots and Irish. It might seem inconsequential to you, but to many here it’s an important step towards more autonomy. Duchy of Lancaster doesn't count then.
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Teddy Eagle

14 Jun 24 10.33pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It might seem inconsequential to you, but to many here it’s an important step towards more autonomy.

Duchy of Lancaster doesn't count then.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 24 10.38pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Duchy of Lancaster doesn't count then. Lancaster is a town. The county is Lancashire. There is no Duchy of Truro. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 24 10.38pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Duchy of Lancaster doesn't count then.

Lancaster is a town. The county is Lancashire.

There is no Duchy of Truro.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 14 Jun 24 10.42pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Lancaster is a town. The county is Lancashire. There is no Duchy of Truro. It's still a Duchy.
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14 Jun 24 10.42pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Lancaster is a town. The county is Lancashire.

There is no Duchy of Truro.

It's still a Duchy.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 24 10.47pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle It's still a Duchy. But not a County, which is what was being discussed. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 24 10.47pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It's still a Duchy.

But not a County, which is what was being discussed.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 14 Jun 24 10.50pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle But not a County, which is what was being discussed. No it isn't. Nowhere else is a Duchy was the claim.
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14 Jun 24 10.50pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

But not a County, which is what was being discussed.

No it isn't. Nowhere else is a Duchy was the claim.

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jun 24 11.11pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Cornwall isn’t a nation or a country. It has a special category. Being Cornish has no real meaning, other than an emotional attachment. We are all English. You can acquire British citizenship and then you are free to regard yourself as English, Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish depending on where you live. My wife’s colleagues children are culturally and emotionally 100% English. Their parents are settled here and not just visiting. The husband has not acquired citizenship solely because there is no need to spend the money. If it was free, he would. His wife has because a British passport naturally followed from her visa route. To suggest the children aren’t English is both legally incorrect and impractical. They are British citizens and not citizens of any other country. They live in Cornwall, which is part of England. They are English and regarded as English by everyone in their circle. What about me and my French grandmother? Must I surrender my English identity too? Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Jun 2024 10.04pm) Just seen this thread and I laughed out loud. Can you not see what a contradiction that is? If you can't become Cornish, then by the same logic you can't become English. I don't think the science of all this is really the defining point of this argument. What is clear is that most people on Earth are allowed to hold their culture, heritage, identity and race in high esteem, except it seems for the English. Perhaps most of Northern Europe suffer from this to a large degree. If you are White and a bit pasty, it seems that the left and some of their minority friends want to condemn and vilify any sign of nationalism or any pride in or ownership of identity whatsoever. This is clearly prejudice in the purest form. You try to perpetuate this attitude with the ridiculous self hating nonsense you post on here. As for your French grandmother. You are part French. You have some French Heritage. Seems fairly simple. You are also mostly English, presumably. You are apparently not Cornish despite living in Cornwall, however I have never lived in Cornwall but have a lot of genetic heritage from that area. Despite that, the locals would not accept me as Cornish I'm sure, just the same as I won't accept someone from pakistan as English. Fairly straight forward.
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14 Jun 24 11.11pm

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Cornwall isn’t a nation or a country. It has a special category. Being Cornish has no real meaning, other than an emotional attachment. We are all English.

You can acquire British citizenship and then you are free to regard yourself as English, Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish depending on where you live.

What about me and my French grandmother? Must I surrender my English identity too?

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Jun 2024 10.04pm)

Just seen this thread and I laughed out loud.

Can you not see what a contradiction that is?

If you can't become Cornish, then by the same logic you can't become English.

I don't think the science of all this is really the defining point of this argument.
What is clear is that most people on Earth are allowed to hold their culture, heritage, identity and race in high esteem, except it seems for the English. Perhaps most of Northern Europe suffer from this to a large degree.

If you are White and a bit pasty, it seems that the left and some of their minority friends want to condemn and vilify any sign of nationalism or any pride in or ownership of identity whatsoever.

This is clearly prejudice in the purest form.

You try to perpetuate this attitude with the ridiculous self hating nonsense you post on here.

As for your French grandmother. You are part French. You have some French Heritage. Seems fairly simple. You are also mostly English, presumably.

You are apparently not Cornish despite living in Cornwall, however I have never lived in Cornwall but have a lot of genetic heritage from that area.
Despite that, the locals would not accept me as Cornish I'm sure, just the same as I won't accept someone from pakistan as English.

Fairly straight forward.

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Stirlingsays 14 Jun 24 11.46pm
The English are an officially recognisted ethnicity and people. Imports and fifth columnists can think what they like. Most people can smell what they are selling....and why they sell it. Sure, there are anglophiles who settle and whose children can become English by nature of their loyalty and cultural attachment. However, that doesn't change the genetic fact of the English linage. There are also fifth columnists who use passports without loyalty and are parasitic by nature. I wonder if this 'poster' would feel as comfortable telling the Maori people, who are also recognised as indigenous people that they aren't native to New Zealand. I doubt it, however the English are descended from people on this island for thousands of years...far far longer than the Maori. This is a known fact as English genes are amongst the most studied of all. Here is Wikipedia....a source he's used many times to tell him that he's wrong. Complete with historical and genetic origins of the English. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jun 2024 11.51pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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The English are an officially recognisted ethnicity and people.

Imports and fifth columnists can think what they like. Most people can smell what they are selling....and why they sell it.

Sure, there are anglophiles who settle and whose children can become English by nature of their loyalty and cultural attachment. However, that doesn't change the genetic fact of the English linage. There are also fifth columnists who use passports without loyalty and are parasitic by nature.

I wonder if this 'poster' would feel as comfortable telling the Maori people, who are also recognised as indigenous people that they aren't native to New Zealand. I doubt it, however the English are descended from people on this island for thousands of years...far far longer than the Maori.

This is a known fact as English genes are amongst the most studied of all.

Here is Wikipedia....a source he's used many times to tell him that he's wrong. Complete with historical and genetic origins of the English.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jun 2024 11.51pm)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Jun 24 12.00am
its a tricky question. My favourites are the ones who can fully pass themselves off as English while also being able to pass themselves off as a different identity. I know some Hungarians who speak London English and also perfect Hungarian......are they English ? In London there are many Welsh, Scottish & irish who get confused for English....The accent is not always a giveaway...Tony Blair, Terry Jones, or Shane McGowan being three examples. Foreigners living in London have zero interest in the subtle differences between peoples from the British Isles and daub us all with the English brush. That French Actor in 'The King' did a perfect plummy English accent...and increasingly more and more 'foreigners' can speak better English than the rest of us. Richard Dawkins isnt English.....even though he sounds English. There are many others. Charlize Theron can sound fully american or English.....and she is neither. Englishmen from Tyneside, the Mersey or other places can be incomprehensible to understand. Poshest accent i ever heard was a bloke brought up in Dubai - he identified himself as Scottish. in summary....there are people who seem very English but are not. and other people who ARE English , much to the confusion of many. and yet my answer deliberately avoided the minefield of Ethnicity & living in the UK. Its confusing. Anjem Choudary is more English than Pierce Brosnan - and yet the latter played James Bond. first attempt .....DNA ? i know families where the older kids have one nationality and the younger kids a different one. The Van Tulleken brothers have not one drop of British blood, and yet you would never guess. Sadiq Khan ? yes he is English. More English than Andrew Sachs. so DNA doesnt answer the question. second attempt.....a link to the English working classes. Yes, better. Cos any git can talk posh, but a good Croydon accent & network of family and friends. It cannot be fabricated. identity. Marxists are trying to tell us that a Martian, landed 5 minutes ago at Dublin Airport is 'new irish'. Something similar happening in Germany - new Germans. English ? how about the London 7/7 bombers ? Or the blokes who murdered Lee Rigby. third attempt....passport, National insurance number, & paperwork. Shemima Begum fell a cropper. Martin McGuinness was not British, and yet he also was. fourth attempt....Allegiance. Jack Grealish wore the football shirt of two nations.....is he still fully English ? Noel Gallagher says he talks Mancunian but he is irish. fifth attempt....place of birth, so is Joanna Lumley not English ? sixth attempt.....time spent in England, especially at a young age. Is Andrew Sachs really German ? and Prince Phillip really Greek ? Final Answer : Vindaloo and Sticky-back plastic. Plus the ability to form an orderly queue at a bus-stop. Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Jun 2024 12.43am) Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Jun 2024 1.03am) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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its a tricky question.

My favourites are the ones who can fully pass themselves off as English while also being able to pass themselves off as a different identity. I know some Hungarians who speak London English and also perfect Hungarian......are they English ?

In London there are many Welsh, Scottish & irish who get confused for English....The accent is not always a giveaway...Tony Blair, Terry Jones, or Shane McGowan being three examples.

Foreigners living in London have zero interest in the subtle differences between peoples from the British Isles and daub us all with the English brush.

That French Actor in 'The King' did a perfect plummy English accent...and increasingly more and more 'foreigners' can speak better English than the rest of us.

Richard Dawkins isnt English.....even though he sounds English. There are many others.

Charlize Theron can sound fully american or English.....and she is neither. Englishmen from Tyneside, the Mersey or other places can be incomprehensible to understand.

Poshest accent i ever heard was a bloke brought up in Dubai - he identified himself as Scottish.

in summary....there are people who seem very English but are not. and other people who ARE English , much to the confusion of many. and yet my answer deliberately avoided the minefield of Ethnicity & living in the UK.
Its confusing. Anjem Choudary is more English than Pierce Brosnan - and yet the latter played James Bond.

first attempt .....DNA ? i know families where the older kids have one nationality and the younger kids a different one. The Van Tulleken brothers have not one drop of British blood, and yet you would never guess.

Sadiq Khan ? yes he is English. More English than Andrew Sachs.

so DNA doesnt answer the question.

second attempt.....a link to the English working classes. Yes, better. Cos any git can talk posh, but a good Croydon accent & network of family and friends. It cannot be fabricated.

identity. Marxists are trying to tell us that a Martian, landed 5 minutes ago at Dublin Airport is 'new irish'. Something similar happening in Germany - new Germans.

English ? how about the London 7/7 bombers ? Or the blokes who murdered Lee Rigby.

third attempt....passport, National insurance number, & paperwork. Shemima Begum fell a cropper. Martin McGuinness was not British, and yet he also was.

fourth attempt....Allegiance. Jack Grealish wore the football shirt of two nations.....is he still fully English ? Noel Gallagher says he talks Mancunian but he is irish.

fifth attempt....place of birth, so is Joanna Lumley not English ?

sixth attempt.....time spent in England, especially at a young age. Is Andrew Sachs really German ? and Prince Phillip really Greek ?

Final Answer : Vindaloo and Sticky-back plastic. Plus the ability to form an orderly queue at a bus-stop.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Jun 2024 12.43am)

Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Jun 2024 1.03am)

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Stirlingsays 15 Jun 24 1.29am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio its a tricky question. My favourites are the ones who can fully pass themselves off as English while also being able to pass themselves off as a different identity. I know some Hungarians who speak London English and also perfect Hungarian......are they English ? In London there are many Welsh, Scottish & irish who get confused for English....The accent is not always a giveaway...Tony Blair, Terry Jones, or Shane McGowan being three examples. Foreigners living in London have zero interest in the subtle differences between peoples from the British Isles and daub us all with the English brush. That French Actor in 'The King' did a perfect plummy English accent...and increasingly more and more 'foreigners' can speak better English than the rest of us. Richard Dawkins isnt English.....even though he sounds English. There are many others. Charlize Theron can sound fully american or English.....and she is neither. Englishmen from Tyneside, the Mersey or other places can be incomprehensible to understand. Poshest accent i ever heard was a bloke brought up in Dubai - he identified himself as Scottish. in summary....there are people who seem very English but are not. and other people who ARE English , much to the confusion of many. and yet my answer deliberately avoided the minefield of Ethnicity & living in the UK. Its confusing. Anjem Choudary is more English than Pierce Brosnan - and yet the latter played James Bond. first attempt .....DNA ? i know families where the older kids have one nationality and the younger kids a different one. The Van Tulleken brothers have not one drop of British blood, and yet you would never guess. Sadiq Khan ? yes he is English. More English than Andrew Sachs. so DNA doesnt answer the question. second attempt.....a link to the English working classes. Yes, better. Cos any git can talk posh, but a good Croydon accent & network of family and friends. It cannot be fabricated. identity. Marxists are trying to tell us that a Martian, landed 5 minutes ago at Dublin Airport is 'new irish'. Something similar happening in Germany - new Germans. English ? how about the London 7/7 bombers ? Or the blokes who murdered Lee Rigby. third attempt....passport, National insurance number, & paperwork. Shemima Begum fell a cropper. Martin McGuinness was not British, and yet he also was. fourth attempt....Allegiance. Jack Grealish wore the football shirt of two nations.....is he still fully English ? Noel Gallagher says he talks Mancunian but he is irish. fifth attempt....place of birth, so is Joanna Lumley not English ? sixth attempt.....time spent in England, especially at a young age. Is Andrew Sachs really German ? and Prince Phillip really Greek ? Final Answer : Vindaloo and Sticky-back plastic. Plus the ability to form an orderly queue at a bus-stop. Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Jun 2024 12.43am) Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Jun 2024 1.03am) No, if you have no English DNA you aren't English. The English are essentially a mix of Celtic, Germanic and other northern European add mixures. If someone has none of these connections to these isles they can never become 'English'. They can be anglophiles and be welcome but they aren't English. Those Hungarians you mention....sound like nice people, but they are slavs. That doesn't mean there is no kinship there because ultimately they are Europeans. Of course an Irishman can play Bond....Bond himself is more Scottish than English. The Scottish were invaded by Irish tribes. I myself have genes from Ireland, Scotland and England....Most native people on these isles will have some mix of that....adding Wales of course. They are northern Europeans with DNA connected to these isles and a loyalty to its history, culture and heritage. Khan has neither, so no he isn't English, he's a passport and an aberration risen to power by a liberalism that erodes its modern day creator. The English aren't whatever someone wants them to be. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jun 2024 2.00am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio