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Stirlingsays 19 May 24 1.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Fury was disappointing last night. He conceeded the middle of the ring, didn't use size and reach advantage well enough and couldn't sustain the pressure when he had Usyk hurt. He is mid thirties and does not stay fit between fights. Perhaps time has caught up with him, or maybe his corner just needs changing. They were useless. It could have been a lack of sparing because of the cut but who knows. I hope there will be a rematch as per the contract and he will come back to win for the sake of boxing entertainment, but Usyk is a tough character with a nation behind him. He deserves huge respect for his detirmination and skill. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 May 2024 12.49pm) I think there is something to what you say about his age and the effects of haphazard fitness levels for most of his career. Don't get me wrong, professional boxers are usually extremely fit for a normal human being but at that top level being overweight for long periods of your career is going to eventually have an effect in your mid thirties....I think we saw that. Still, I don't think Fury did badly I just think his punch output just wasn't enough to confidently beat Uysk. I also think his plan of fighting on the back foot proved to be less effective than when he went forward. Fury's success was more when he was on the offence and backing him up.....it just didn't seem to be his game plan. As Joshua found out there's no out boxing Uysk and as of yet I haven't seen a boxer except Chisora properly rough Uysk up....They aren't prepared to get hit to land their own punches and I think to beat Uysk you have to fight and not box. Fury isn't a big puncher but I noticed that on several occasions he backed up Uysk...which suggests to me that when a heavyweight properly lands on him he's in trouble....we already saw it with Dubois (I never regarded it as a low blow). My big take and prediction from this is that Fury will retire....or at least turn down the rematch. I don't think his ego would cope with two losses against Uysk....If he continues I think he might fight Joshua and then retire. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 May 2024 1.16pm)
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Stirlingsays 19 May 24 1.19pm | |
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Fury's corner was ridiculous. John Fury was there in his ear giving advice when that's Sugar Ray Hill's literal job. Hill should walk off if he's going to be undermined like that. Fury's old man isn't right in the head. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 May 2024 1.20pm)
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PalazioVecchio south pole 19 May 24 1.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
like father like son. At least Fury junior doesn't land blows with his.
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Ouzo Dan Behind you 19 May 24 3.05pm | |
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Thought Usyk had the better of the early rounds, Fury cruising to a win in the middle of the fight & Usyk finishing the better of the two, Usyk was the deserved winner of a genuinely great fight. The orangutan that is John Fury undermining Fury's corner arguably cost him the fight as it was impossible for Sugar to give instruction. Saudi cock sucking is nauseating Fury is an unbelievably tough boxer when Usyk had sent him to the never realm with a perfect combo, Fury somehow invoked some primordial instinctive fight or flight mechanic, its genuinely amazing how he stayed on his feet as long as he did, his recovery from these kind of blows is superhuman. I think Fury will seriously consider retirement, he cant keep taking these kind of blows to the head.
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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 19 May 24 3.10pm | |
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Ever since Dad got me up in the middle of the night to watch a Cassius Clay fight on our 6" Pye TV - he said it was history being made - I've had an inherent dislike of boxing. Didn't like it then, don't like it now. Seems barbaric and out of tune with so much in the 21st Century. Would be sad if we were all the same I s'pose.
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 19 May 24 3.15pm | |
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Why do people care? Strange.
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Hrolf The Ganger 20 May 24 9.23am | |
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
Ever since Dad got me up in the middle of the night to watch a Cassius Clay fight on our 6" Pye TV - he said it was history being made - I've had an inherent dislike of boxing. Didn't like it then, don't like it now. Seems barbaric and out of tune with so much in the 21st Century. Would be sad if we were all the same I s'pose. Sadly, many people are. There will always be those that want to see others fight. Professional boxing keeps a barbaric exercise as civilised as it can be.
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MrRobbo Chaldon 20 May 24 11.03am | |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
Thought Usyk had the better of the early rounds, Fury cruising to a win in the middle of the fight & Usyk finishing the better of the two, Usyk was the deserved winner of a genuinely great fight. The orangutan that is John Fury undermining Fury's corner arguably cost him the fight as it was impossible for Sugar to give instruction. Saudi cock sucking is nauseating Fury is an unbelievably tough boxer when Usyk had sent him to the never realm with a perfect combo, Fury somehow invoked some primordial instinctive fight or flight mechanic, its genuinely amazing how he stayed on his feet as long as he did, his recovery from these kind of blows is superhuman. I think Fury will seriously consider retirement, he cant keep taking these kind of blows to the head. That's how I saw it too. Though I never felt like Fury was threatened in those early rounds, more like he was just not throwing enough. Maybe just working Usyk out, but win those first 3 rounds and the fight is yours.
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YT Oxford 20 May 24 11.29am | |
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And now I read that one of the 4 belts held by this 'unified' champion is about to be stripped thereby 'disunifying' the world championship once more. What a farcical affair boxing is. If anyone fully deserved the term "mug punter", it must surely be the boxing fan who pays for this charade.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 20 May 24 12.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
Ever since Dad got me up in the middle of the night to watch a Cassius Clay fight on our 6" Pye TV - he said it was history being made - I've had an inherent dislike of boxing. Didn't like it then, don't like it now. Seems barbaric and out of tune with so much in the 21st Century. Would be sad if we were all the same I s'pose. I've boxed and did so as recently as last June POG, at heavyweight. I understand your sentiment but I still see it as essentially a glorified pillow fight (certainly at amatuer levels, given the gloves). I'd sooner box than be hit by a fast ball in cricket, have my leg snapped in football or neck in Rugby etc. It's more so in the longer term it takes it's toll. I think from the sport's very nature there are many blokes who get heavily into/involved in boxing as they seek validation for their masculinity where they've failed elsewhere. Having boxed throughout my life, you do understand it better as a sport - the sheer physical fitness, skill and mental strength involved. There's nothing worse for me than seeing two blokes just spitefully trying to punch each other in the head (especially when body-shots can be far more effective) as can often happen. I think many who overlooked the physical demands, skill and mental strength of the sport would be easily drawn in to Fury's showmanship/self-promotion and just the sheer size of the fella. I think most who have a good understanding of the sport were not surprised by Usyk's victory. A prime Fury would have been a shocking defeat but I don't think that is what was in the ring. Full credit to Usyk, he earned his win where I think Tyson has finally run out of steam. I very much doubt that particular show will go on.
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Teddy Eagle 20 May 24 12.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I've boxed and did so as recently as last June POG, at heavyweight. I understand your sentiment but I still see it as essentially a glorified pillow fight (certainly at amatuer levels, given the gloves). I'd sooner box than be hit by a fast ball in cricket, have my leg snapped in football or neck in Rugby etc. It's more so in the longer term it takes it's toll. I think from the sport's very nature there are many blokes who get heavily into/involved in boxing as they seek validation for their masculinity where they've failed elsewhere. Having boxed throughout my life, you do understand it better as a sport - the sheer physical fitness, skill and mental strength involved. There's nothing worse for me than seeing two blokes just spitefully trying to punch each other in the head (especially when body-shots can be far more effective) as can often happen. I think many who overlooked the physical demands, skill and mental strength of the sport would be easily drawn in to Fury's showmanship/self-promotion and just the sheer size of the fella. I think most who have a good understanding of the sport were not surprised by Usyk's victory. A prime Fury would have been a shocking defeat but I don't think that is what was in the ring. Full credit to Usyk, he earned his win where I think Tyson has finally run out of steam. I very much doubt that particular show will go on. Agree with all that. Anyone who's ever tried to move and throw punches for three minutes will know how hard it is without an opponent trying to hit you back. Pro heavyweights, most of them anyway, can punch so hard it's incredible any of them can survive at all. They say it's the punch you don't see that knocks you out but those you do see will sting a bit as well.
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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 20 May 24 12.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I've boxed and did so as recently as last June POG, at heavyweight. S'funny isn't it Nick, how we imagine each other to be. It's like voices on the radio never seem to match the face. I certainly never had you down as a boxer. Your usual posts don't equate to that fact in my reckoning. Anyway I understand your comments about the sport, and also what Hrolf writes about keeping it off the streets. But I still can't get excited about it, especially considering the ludicrous amount of money involved.
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