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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 08 May 24 2.12pm
Her husband was the MP for Dover before she took over when he got sent down. He must be due out soon so it could be that she's hopped into her own small boat and is seeking asylum on the other side, probably moving away from Dover to pastures new. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 08 May 24 2.12pm

Her husband was the MP for Dover before she took over when he got sent down. He must be due out soon so it could be that she's hopped into her own small boat and is seeking asylum on the other side, probably moving away from Dover to pastures new.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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georgenorman 08 May 24 2.16pm
How will she tell the difference?
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08 May 24 2.16pm

How will she tell the difference?

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steeleye20 Croydon 08 May 24 2.22pm
'I have been asked to help in the area of housing'.
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Croydon 08 May 24 2.22pm

'I have been asked to help in the area of housing'.

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Badger11 Beckenham 08 May 24 3.05pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Probably because she's been alive for the last 13 years - your post seems to imply that the Tories are the anti-migration party... how's that been going? Can you point to some 'pro-migration' policies or rhetoric from this Labour party? That people still give any credit to these sort of outdated tropes, which fly in the face of the reality of the last decade, still manages to surprise me. Elphicke seems to have previous for trying to jump on a bandwagon; [Link] - these people have no core principles, no set politics and their sole concern is holding onto power - this type of fluid, move with the wind politician is a huge part of why our political class as a whole is such a shambles. Labour's is certainly pro migration so if she has left the Tories because she feels they have failed to control migration it's an odd choice to choose Labour who are quite clearly in favour of it. I agree with you the Tories have been a shambles so if she is sincere about her beliefs why not pick another party like Reform? Or is she saying that she is pro migration and as MP for Dover welcomes the migrants in which case moving to labour does make sense. Sorry don't know anything about the lady or her views but then again I doubt the good voters of Dover do either. Edited by Badger11 (08 May 2024 3.06pm) One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 08 May 24 3.05pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Probably because she's been alive for the last 13 years - your post seems to imply that the Tories are the anti-migration party... how's that been going?
Can you point to some 'pro-migration' policies or rhetoric from this Labour party?

That people still give any credit to these sort of outdated tropes, which fly in the face of the reality of the last decade, still manages to surprise me.

Elphicke seems to have previous for trying to jump on a bandwagon; [Link] - these people have no core principles, no set politics and their sole concern is holding onto power - this type of fluid, move with the wind politician is a huge part of why our political class as a whole is such a shambles.

Labour's is certainly pro migration so if she has left the Tories because she feels they have failed to control migration it's an odd choice to choose Labour who are quite clearly in favour of it.

I agree with you the Tories have been a shambles so if she is sincere about her beliefs why not pick another party like Reform?

Or is she saying that she is pro migration and as MP for Dover welcomes the migrants in which case moving to labour does make sense. Sorry don't know anything about the lady or her views but then again I doubt the good voters of Dover do either.

Edited by Badger11 (08 May 2024 3.06pm)

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Badger11 Beckenham 08 May 24 3.08pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Right wing politics has totally failed - and it's so out of date. We have not had right wing policies for the last 14 years that's why people are not voting Tory. We have had plenty of rhetoric but little in practice. Weak on crime and defence, throwing billions at the public aren't very right wing policies. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 08 May 24 3.08pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Right wing politics has totally failed - and it's so out of date.

We have not had right wing policies for the last 14 years that's why people are not voting Tory.

We have had plenty of rhetoric but little in practice. Weak on crime and defence, throwing billions at the public aren't very right wing policies.

One more point

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 08 May 24 3.08pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Labour's is certainly pro migration so if she has left the Tories because she feels they have failed to control migration it's an odd choice to choose Labour who are quite clearly in favour of it. I agree with you the Tories have been a shambles so if she is sincere about her beliefs why not pick another party like Reform? Or is she saying that she is pro migration and as MP for Dover welcomes the migrants in which case moving to labour does make sense. Sorry don't know anything about the lady or her views but then again I doubt the good voters of Dover do either. Edited by Badger11 (08 May 2024 3.06pm) As evidenced by..?
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SE19 08 May 24 3.08pm

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Originally posted by Badger11

Labour's is certainly pro migration so if she has left the Tories because she feels they have failed to control migration it's an odd choice to choose Labour who are quite clearly in favour of it.

I agree with you the Tories have been a shambles so if she is sincere about her beliefs why not pick another party like Reform?

Edited by Badger11 (08 May 2024 3.06pm)

As evidenced by..?

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Badger11 Beckenham 08 May 24 3.13pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow As evidenced by..? Seriously? Are you going to tell me that Labour are not pro migration? I didn't say in favour of illegal migration I said pro migration. By the way I am not the only one who is querying why she should join the Labour party. The BBC website is citing various Labour MPs who are also asking why as she has been very vocal in criticising Labour's migration plans. One more point
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Beckenham 08 May 24 3.13pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

As evidenced by..?

Seriously? Are you going to tell me that Labour are not pro migration? I didn't say in favour of illegal migration I said pro migration.

By the way I am not the only one who is querying why she should join the Labour party. The BBC website is citing various Labour MPs who are also asking why as she has been very vocal in criticising Labour's migration plans.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 08 May 24 3.18pm
Originally posted by Badger11 We have not had right wing policies for the last 14 years that's why people are not voting Tory. We have had plenty of rhetoric but little in practice. Weak on crime and defence, throwing billions at the public aren't very right wing policies. - Brexit and ending of freedom of movement - A sustained austerity drive with public spending cut to the bone across pretty much every public service - A toxic anti-migrant culture / Rwanda policy - huge anti-trans sentiment now creeping into policy - Anti-union action - Stricter protest laws - raised bar for universal credit Without getting into the merits of each point, I’m struggling to see how that could not considered a right wing government?
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EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 08 May 24 3.18pm

Originally posted by Badger11

We have not had right wing policies for the last 14 years that's why people are not voting Tory.

We have had plenty of rhetoric but little in practice. Weak on crime and defence, throwing billions at the public aren't very right wing policies.

- Brexit and ending of freedom of movement
- A sustained austerity drive with public spending cut to the bone across pretty much every public service
- A toxic anti-migrant culture / Rwanda policy
- huge anti-trans sentiment now creeping into policy
- Anti-union action
- Stricter protest laws
- raised bar for universal credit

Without getting into the merits of each point, I’m struggling to see how that could not considered a right wing government?

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 08 May 24 3.22pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Seriously? Are you going to tell me that Labour are not pro migration? I didn't say in favour of illegal migration I said pro migration. By the way I am not the only one who is querying why she should join the Labour party. The BBC website is citing various Labour MPs who are also asking why as she has been very vocal in criticising Labour's migration plans. Yes, I am going to tell you exactly that about this Labour Party - what pro migrant sentiment have they ever offered? My point is not really about what this latest moron is doing, which is clearly lacking in principle and logic, but about the persistence of tropes about how pro-migrant and pro-taxes Labour are, despite everything they say and do pointing to the opposite. I bloody wish Labour were offering anything half as left wing as is being made out on here.
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EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 08 May 24 3.22pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Seriously? Are you going to tell me that Labour are not pro migration? I didn't say in favour of illegal migration I said pro migration.

Yes, I am going to tell you exactly that about this Labour Party - what pro migrant sentiment have they ever offered?

My point is not really about what this latest moron is doing, which is clearly lacking in principle and logic, but about the persistence of tropes about how pro-migrant and pro-taxes Labour are, despite everything they say and do pointing to the opposite. I bloody wish Labour were offering anything half as left wing as is being made out on here.

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georgenorman 08 May 24 3.39pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow - Brexit and ending of freedom of movement - A sustained austerity drive with public spending cut to the bone across pretty much every public service - A toxic anti-migrant culture / Rwanda policy - huge anti-trans sentiment now creeping into policy - Anti-union action - Stricter protest laws - raised bar for universal credit Without getting into the merits of each point, I’m struggling to see how that could not considered a right wing government? If only those sensible policies had been pursued rigorously they might have retained support.
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georgenorman

08 May 24 3.39pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Without getting into the merits of each point, I’m struggling to see how that could not considered a right wing government?

If only those sensible policies had been pursued rigorously they might have retained support.

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steeleye20 Croydon 08 May 24 3.42pm
The water 'industry' should be seen as the epitaph for tory privatisation and capitalism too. Really it makes the mafia look good. Forget holidays in Britain it's too risky to bathe anywhere here - try the continent you just left.
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steeleye20

Croydon 08 May 24 3.42pm

The water 'industry' should be seen as the epitaph for tory privatisation and capitalism too.

Really it makes the mafia look good.

Forget holidays in Britain it's too risky to bathe anywhere here - try the continent you just left.

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Badger11 Beckenham 08 May 24 3.46pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow - Brexit and ending of freedom of movement - A sustained austerity drive with public spending cut to the bone across pretty much every public service - A toxic anti-migrant culture / Rwanda policy - huge anti-trans sentiment now creeping into policy - Anti-union action - Stricter protest laws - raised bar for universal credit Without getting into the merits of each point, I’m struggling to see how that could not considered a right wing government? Was a decision made by the public which Parliament reluctantly had to agree to. Many Tories were and still are pro EU. Anti Trans sentiment? You forget to mention the huge toxic bile from the pro Trans lobby pillorying anyone who dared to criticise them. Personally I have no problems in my extended family we have one. However when medical staff and researchers are victimised just because they are concerned about life changing treatment of children I think the government is right to intervene. Stricter protest laws, yeah pity the police don't use them. Anti trade union laws yup pity the railway management don't use them. Benefits. You only have to look at the huge increase in people claiming to be sick with illnesses that cannot be disproved they are either faking it or they need help which the government is now saying they will get, let's hope they do. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 08 May 24 3.46pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

- Brexit and ending of freedom of movement
- A sustained austerity drive with public spending cut to the bone across pretty much every public service
- A toxic anti-migrant culture / Rwanda policy
- huge anti-trans sentiment now creeping into policy
- Anti-union action
- Stricter protest laws
- raised bar for universal credit

Without getting into the merits of each point, I’m struggling to see how that could not considered a right wing government?

Was a decision made by the public which Parliament reluctantly had to agree to. Many Tories were and still are pro EU.

Anti Trans sentiment? You forget to mention the huge toxic bile from the pro Trans lobby pillorying anyone who dared to criticise them. Personally I have no problems in my extended family we have one. However when medical staff and researchers are victimised just because they are concerned about life changing treatment of children I think the government is right to intervene.

Stricter protest laws, yeah pity the police don't use them. Anti trade union laws yup pity the railway management don't use them.

Benefits. You only have to look at the huge increase in people claiming to be sick with illnesses that cannot be disproved they are either faking it or they need help which the government is now saying they will get, let's hope they do.

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