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Spiderman Horsham 15 Jan 24 4.09pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Windrush does not belong on that list. Indeed no comparison whatsoever. Big mistakes were made regarding some Windrush “victims “ but don’t believe everything you hear/read.
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Horsham 15 Jan 24 4.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Windrush does not belong on that list.

Indeed no comparison whatsoever. Big mistakes were made regarding some Windrush “victims “ but don’t believe everything you hear/read.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Jan 24 4.14pm
Originally posted by Eaglehamster ..... all the men involved were Muslim and being labelled Islamaphobic must be avoid at all cost. also the influence of 'block voting'.....wherein the local Imam walks into the office of his political representative and makes him an offer he cannot refuse. And anyway, who needs normal Courts when you got Sharia courts ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Jan 2024 4.21pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Eaglehamster

..... all the men involved were Muslim and being labelled Islamaphobic must be avoid at all cost.

also the influence of 'block voting'.....wherein the local Imam walks into the office of his political representative and makes him an offer he cannot refuse.

And anyway, who needs normal Courts when you got Sharia courts ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Jan 2024 4.21pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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becky over the moon 15 Jan 24 4.19pm
This comment from the leader of the council gets me.... Leaders at Rochdale Council and GMP repeated previous apologies, with council leader Neil Emmott saying: "I want to reassure the public that those responsible are gone and long gone. Whew, that's good news - they all managed to save their pension funds before they got found out then........ Cynical? Yes! A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 15 Jan 24 4.19pm

This comment from the leader of the council gets me....

Leaders at Rochdale Council and GMP repeated previous apologies, with council leader Neil Emmott saying: "I want to reassure the public that those responsible are gone and long gone.

Whew, that's good news - they all managed to save their pension funds before they got found out then........

Cynical? Yes!

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Stirlingsays 15 Jan 24 4.21pm
Originally posted by becky This comment from the leader of the council gets me.... Leaders at Rochdale Council and GMP repeated previous apologies, with council leader Neil Emmott saying: "I want to reassure the public that those responsible are gone and long gone. Whew, that's good news - they all managed to save their pension funds before they got found out then........ Cynical? Yes! Indeed. It's a disgusting clusterfeck and they have gotten away with it.....because the powers that be want them to. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Jan 24 4.21pm

Originally posted by becky

This comment from the leader of the council gets me....

Leaders at Rochdale Council and GMP repeated previous apologies, with council leader Neil Emmott saying: "I want to reassure the public that those responsible are gone and long gone.

Whew, that's good news - they all managed to save their pension funds before they got found out then........

Cynical? Yes!

Indeed.

It's a disgusting clusterfeck and they have gotten away with it.....because the powers that be want them to.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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beak croydon 15 Jan 24 5.36pm
Originally posted by HKOwen Burnham now says there were massive failings by Manchester police over years of predominantly muslim abuse of vulnerable white girls on an industrial scale, still goes on. Burnham say cultural change is needed, who needs to change? This issue of raccially based mass sexual crime is still not something anyone will properly grasp for fear of being called racist Burnham was part of the problem and is not part of the solution Edited by HKOwen (15 Jan 2024 10.16am) Labour knocking again,you will have a field day when they are in power later this year. I imagine you as a Victor Meldrew character without a wife to steady your daft obsession.
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croydon 15 Jan 24 5.36pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Burnham now says there were massive failings by Manchester police over years of predominantly muslim abuse of vulnerable white girls on an industrial scale, still goes on.

Burnham say cultural change is needed, who needs to change?

This issue of raccially based mass sexual crime is still not something anyone will properly grasp for fear of being called racist

Burnham was part of the problem and is not part of the solution

Edited by HKOwen (15 Jan 2024 10.16am)

Labour knocking again,you will have a field day when they are in power later this year. I imagine you as a Victor Meldrew character without a wife to steady your daft obsession.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Jan 24 6.39pm
Originally posted by HKOwen Burnham now says there were massive failings by Manchester police over years of predominantly muslim abuse of vulnerable white girls on an industrial scale. Burnham say cultural change is needed, who needs to change? Edited by HKOwen (15 Jan 2024 10.16am) People in India have experienced this 'culture'. Been going on for at least a thousand years. Or Baltimore, Co Cork in the 1600's.....the mass capture and trafficking of young white girls into a lifetime of captivity. cultural change ? when has that been successful in the past ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Jan 2024 7.16pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 15 Jan 24 6.39pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Burnham now says there were massive failings by Manchester police over years of predominantly muslim abuse of vulnerable white girls on an industrial scale.

Burnham say cultural change is needed, who needs to change?

Edited by HKOwen (15 Jan 2024 10.16am)

People in India have experienced this 'culture'. Been going on for at least a thousand years.
Or Baltimore, Co Cork in the 1600's.....the mass capture and trafficking of young white girls into a lifetime of captivity.

cultural change ? when has that been successful in the past ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Jan 2024 7.16pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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steeleye20 Croydon 15 Jan 24 7.19pm
Of course, Rochdale is appalling, imagine if it was your daughter. Rochdale, **** men, can we be bothered, you can imagine the culture, even when complaints are made the instinct is to cover up, kick the can down the road, it's only a dump like Rochdale. We still have the police investigating the police, imo you can't have too much accountability. Too many alleged public servants just couldn't be bothered enough.
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Croydon 15 Jan 24 7.19pm

Of course, Rochdale is appalling, imagine if it was your daughter.

Rochdale, **** men, can we be bothered, you can imagine the culture, even when complaints are made the instinct is to cover up, kick the can down the road, it's only a dump like Rochdale.

We still have the police investigating the police, imo you can't have too much accountability.

Too many alleged public servants just couldn't be bothered enough.

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Matov 15 Jan 24 8.32pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Of course, Rochdale is appalling, imagine if it was your daughter. Rochdale, **** men, can we be bothered, you can imagine the culture, even when complaints are made the instinct is to cover up, kick the can down the road, it's only a dump like Rochdale. We still have the police investigating the police, imo you can't have too much accountability. Too many alleged public servants just couldn't be bothered enough. Which is all good and fine apart from the annoying fact that it was known about for years before anything happened. First the BNP and then the likes of Tommy Robinson were signposting it for over a decade before the storm broke. This goes way beyond the usual indifference to the fate of poor white working class people. These girls were essentially sacrificed for political expediency be it Labour trading them for block postal voting and people in public service not wanting to blot their CV's when it come to promotion. Secret documents missing from secure safes in Townhalls, Police deliberately ignoring reports from parents (I believe in one case a father was threatened with arrest when he attempted to get his daughter out of one property) Care Workers actually handing girls over abusers, (and in one case, the Careworkers themselves being the groomers). And the dynamic in all of this racial. In a modern Britain where this has been deemed to be of hyper-importance now getting on for a quarter of a century. Those girls abandoned primarily because of the colour of their skin. Racism in its most purest form. However social background played its part and I fully accept a part of the shame over this. These girls coming from backgrounds that I would have scorned and mocked myself. Fully willing to put my hands up to that and with suitable shame around that. And because these groomers would not come for the daughters of myself or my friends, part of me willing to dismiss it as just being what the lower classes did. I think the most honest take on it all was when the Labour MP Naz Shah liked and shared a tweet that said these girls should have kept their mouths shut in the interests of multiculturalism. Of course she then retracted it and claimed it was a mistake but ultimately I believe she represents what the Left wing truly believe. All I have ever asked is for some honesty around this. If the Left had the guts to just come out and say it then you could at least see a reason for why they ignored it for so long. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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15 Jan 24 8.32pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Of course, Rochdale is appalling, imagine if it was your daughter.

Rochdale, **** men, can we be bothered, you can imagine the culture, even when complaints are made the instinct is to cover up, kick the can down the road, it's only a dump like Rochdale.

We still have the police investigating the police, imo you can't have too much accountability.

Too many alleged public servants just couldn't be bothered enough.

Which is all good and fine apart from the annoying fact that it was known about for years before anything happened. First the BNP and then the likes of Tommy Robinson were signposting it for over a decade before the storm broke.

This goes way beyond the usual indifference to the fate of poor white working class people.

These girls were essentially sacrificed for political expediency be it Labour trading them for block postal voting and people in public service not wanting to blot their CV's when it come to promotion.

Secret documents missing from secure safes in Townhalls, Police deliberately ignoring reports from parents (I believe in one case a father was threatened with arrest when he attempted to get his daughter out of one property) Care Workers actually handing girls over abusers, (and in one case, the Careworkers themselves being the groomers).

And the dynamic in all of this racial. In a modern Britain where this has been deemed to be of hyper-importance now getting on for a quarter of a century. Those girls abandoned primarily because of the colour of their skin. Racism in its most purest form.

However social background played its part and I fully accept a part of the shame over this. These girls coming from backgrounds that I would have scorned and mocked myself. Fully willing to put my hands up to that and with suitable shame around that. And because these groomers would not come for the daughters of myself or my friends, part of me willing to dismiss it as just being what the lower classes did.

I think the most honest take on it all was when the Labour MP Naz Shah liked and shared a tweet that said these girls should have kept their mouths shut in the interests of multiculturalism. Of course she then retracted it and claimed it was a mistake but ultimately I believe she represents what the Left wing truly believe.

All I have ever asked is for some honesty around this. If the Left had the guts to just come out and say it then you could at least see a reason for why they ignored it for so long.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jan 24 9.06pm
Originally posted by georgenorman You should be ashamed of yourself making excuses for this. I am not making excuses for anything. It’s this kind of misrepresentation of my approach which is truly disgusting. So, for the avoidance of any doubt, let me state it again. Those who groom vulnerable children and exploit them for sexual purposes are the worst kind of criminals. They need to be found, prosecuted and locked away from society for as long as it takes to ensure that not only they cannot reoffend but others are deterred from anything similar. If that means they must spend the rest of their life locked up so be it. If it requires chemical castration so be it. That’s the outcome I seek. The only point of difference I think exists is how that outcome is best achieved. The police cannot work in isolation. They need the active support of the community to report crimes and identify criminals. Ostracising whole sections of the community by asserting they are guilty by association cannot help the police. We need the Muslim community to be on the side of truth and justice and not driven to close ranks in self protection. That’s why I criticise the likes of Yaxley-Lennon who is a rabble rouser and not someone seriously concerned with the issue. Sections of the tabloid press are as bad. These all make things worse, rather than better. So I have more sympathy for the police than some do. Not only do they have to deal with this whilst being under resourced, they also have to try to contain negative influences like Y-L , whilst getting little to no support from a suspicious community and being pilloried in the tabloid press. If individual officers failed to do their duty then they should be disciplined. If there was much more than that which failed, as I think is the case, then it needs to be identified and rectified. That several police forces appear to have adopted identical strategies suggests to me that they were working to instructions. Instructions that might have been issued for the best of intentions but, with experience, have been shown wanting. Ensuring a cultural change must be the ultimate aim. We cannot just lock people up for ever, let alone tolerate the behaviour that causes it. It has to be done. There is no other choice, so defeatism is not an option. I am optimistic that it can be done, so long as we remain determined and uncompromising in what is expected. There are already many good and hardworking people in the UK who consider themselves to be Muslim. We need to get them to take the lead in helping solve this kind of issue. It’s why I believe it needs to start with removing all religious influences in schools and ensuring no school has a dominant faith group present in any capacity. We need to teach every child our values and ensure they all experience people from many backgrounds. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Jan 24 9.06pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

You should be ashamed of yourself making excuses for this.

I am not making excuses for anything. It’s this kind of misrepresentation of my approach which is truly disgusting. So, for the avoidance of any doubt, let me state it again.

Those who groom vulnerable children and exploit them for sexual purposes are the worst kind of criminals. They need to be found, prosecuted and locked away from society for as long as it takes to ensure that not only they cannot reoffend but others are deterred from anything similar. If that means they must spend the rest of their life locked up so be it. If it requires chemical castration so be it.

That’s the outcome I seek. The only point of difference I think exists is how that outcome is best achieved. The police cannot work in isolation. They need the active support of the community to report crimes and identify criminals. Ostracising whole sections of the community by asserting they are guilty by association cannot help the police. We need the Muslim community to be on the side of truth and justice and not driven to close ranks in self protection.

That’s why I criticise the likes of Yaxley-Lennon who is a rabble rouser and not someone seriously concerned with the issue. Sections of the tabloid press are as bad. These all make things worse, rather than better.

So I have more sympathy for the police than some do. Not only do they have to deal with this whilst being under resourced, they also have to try to contain negative influences like Y-L , whilst getting little to no support from a suspicious community and being pilloried in the tabloid press.

If individual officers failed to do their duty then they should be disciplined. If there was much more than that which failed, as I think is the case, then it needs to be identified and rectified.

That several police forces appear to have adopted identical strategies suggests to me that they were working to instructions. Instructions that might have been issued for the best of intentions but, with experience, have been shown wanting.

Ensuring a cultural change must be the ultimate aim. We cannot just lock people up for ever, let alone tolerate the behaviour that causes it. It has to be done. There is no other choice, so defeatism is not an option. I am optimistic that it can be done, so long as we remain determined and uncompromising in what is expected. There are already many good and hardworking people in the UK who consider themselves to be Muslim. We need to get them to take the lead in helping solve this kind of issue.

It’s why I believe it needs to start with removing all religious influences in schools and ensuring no school has a dominant faith group present in any capacity. We need to teach every child our values and ensure they all experience people from many backgrounds.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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georgenorman 15 Jan 24 9.24pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I am not making excuses for anything. It’s this kind of misrepresentation of my approach which is truly disgusting. So, for the avoidance of any doubt, let me state it again. Those who groom vulnerable children and exploit them for sexual purposes are the worst kind of criminals. They need to be found, prosecuted and locked away from society for as long as it takes to ensure that not only they cannot reoffend but others are deterred from anything similar. If that means they must spend the rest of their life locked up so be it. If it requires chemical castration so be it. That’s the outcome I seek. The only point of difference I think exists is how that outcome is best achieved. The police cannot work in isolation. They need the active support of the community to report crimes and identify criminals. Ostracising whole sections of the community by asserting they are guilty by association cannot help the police. We need the Muslim community to be on the side of truth and justice and not driven to close ranks in self protection. That’s why I criticise the likes of Yaxley-Lennon who is a rabble rouser and not someone seriously concerned with the issue. Sections of the tabloid press are as bad. These all make things worse, rather than better. So I have more sympathy for the police than some do. Not only do they have to deal with this whilst being under resourced, they also have to try to contain negative influences like Y-L , whilst getting little to no support from a suspicious community and being pilloried in the tabloid press. If individual officers failed to do their duty then they should be disciplined. If there was much more than that which failed, as I think is the case, then it needs to be identified and rectified. That several police forces appear to have adopted identical strategies suggests to me that they were working to instructions. Instructions that might have been issued for the best of intentions but, with experience, have been shown wanting. Ensuring a cultural change must be the ultimate aim. We cannot just lock people up for ever, let alone tolerate the behaviour that causes it. It has to be done. There is no other choice, so defeatism is not an option. I am optimistic that it can be done, so long as we remain determined and uncompromising in what is expected. There are already many good and hardworking people in the UK who consider themselves to be Muslim. We need to get them to take the lead in helping solve this kind of issue. It’s why I believe it needs to start with removing all religious influences in schools and ensuring no school has a dominant faith group present in any capacity. We need to teach every child our values and ensure they all experience people from many backgrounds. Seriously? Your attempts at distorting reality on practically every subject is truly breathtaking - just like a faulty gas appliance is. You even use your weasel words where paedophilia is involved to support your absurd 'lets buy the world a coke' B/S. Edited by georgenorman (15 Jan 2024 9.30pm)
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15 Jan 24 9.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not making excuses for anything. It’s this kind of misrepresentation of my approach which is truly disgusting. So, for the avoidance of any doubt, let me state it again.

If individual officers failed to do their duty then they should be disciplined. If there was much more than that which failed, as I think is the case, then it needs to be identified and rectified.

Seriously? Your attempts at distorting reality on practically every subject is truly breathtaking - just like a faulty gas appliance is.
You even use your weasel words where paedophilia is involved to support your absurd 'lets buy the world a coke' B/S.

Edited by georgenorman (15 Jan 2024 9.30pm)

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Teddy Eagle 15 Jan 24 9.37pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I am not making excuses for anything. It’s this kind of misrepresentation of my approach which is truly disgusting. So, for the avoidance of any doubt, let me state it again. Those who groom vulnerable children and exploit them for sexual purposes are the worst kind of criminals. They need to be found, prosecuted and locked away from society for as long as it takes to ensure that not only they cannot reoffend but others are deterred from anything similar. If that means they must spend the rest of their life locked up so be it. If it requires chemical castration so be it. That’s the outcome I seek. The only point of difference I think exists is how that outcome is best achieved. The police cannot work in isolation. They need the active support of the community to report crimes and identify criminals. Ostracising whole sections of the community by asserting they are guilty by association cannot help the police. We need the Muslim community to be on the side of truth and justice and not driven to close ranks in self protection. That’s why I criticise the likes of Yaxley-Lennon who is a rabble rouser and not someone seriously concerned with the issue. Sections of the tabloid press are as bad. These all make things worse, rather than better. So I have more sympathy for the police than some do. Not only do they have to deal with this whilst being under resourced, they also have to try to contain negative influences like Y-L , whilst getting little to no support from a suspicious community and being pilloried in the tabloid press. If individual officers failed to do their duty then they should be disciplined. If there was much more than that which failed, as I think is the case, then it needs to be identified and rectified. That several police forces appear to have adopted identical strategies suggests to me that they were working to instructions. Instructions that might have been issued for the best of intentions but, with experience, have been shown wanting. Ensuring a cultural change must be the ultimate aim. We cannot just lock people up for ever, let alone tolerate the behaviour that causes it. It has to be done. There is no other choice, so defeatism is not an option. I am optimistic that it can be done, so long as we remain determined and uncompromising in what is expected. There are already many good and hardworking people in the UK who consider themselves to be Muslim. We need to get them to take the lead in helping solve this kind of issue. It’s why I believe it needs to start with removing all religious influences in schools and ensuring no school has a dominant faith group present in any capacity. We need to teach every child our values and ensure they all experience people from many backgrounds. Alternatively arrest anyone who breaks the law regardless of their background.
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Teddy Eagle

15 Jan 24 9.37pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not making excuses for anything. It’s this kind of misrepresentation of my approach which is truly disgusting. So, for the avoidance of any doubt, let me state it again.

If individual officers failed to do their duty then they should be disciplined. If there was much more than that which failed, as I think is the case, then it needs to be identified and rectified.

Alternatively arrest anyone who breaks the law regardless of their background.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jan 24 9.41pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Seriously? Your attempts at distorting reality on practically every subject is truly breathtaking - just like a faulty gas appliance is. You even use your weasel words where paedophilia is involved to support your absurd 'lets buy the world a coke' B/S. Edited by georgenorman (15 Jan 2024 9.30pm) Thanks for proving my point about misrepresentation. If you think what I said about those guilty of paedophilia are “weasel words” you need to go to Specsavers! Yet you have the nerve to talk about distortion! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 15 Jan 24 9.41pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Edited by georgenorman (15 Jan 2024 9.30pm)

Thanks for proving my point about misrepresentation.

If you think what I said about those guilty of paedophilia are “weasel words” you need to go to Specsavers!

Yet you have the nerve to talk about distortion!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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