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roman eagle South London 21 Dec 23 1.39pm
In theory this opens the door to any commercial organisation setting up a rival league in Europe. It could end up like the mess that is boxing, with numerous competing championships. As it would be outside the FIFA/UEFA sanctioned organisation they could also change the laws if they wished. Would they get referees on board? Would the UK government ban clubs from breaking away? Would fans accept a breakaway? In the end it comes down to greed for money and power of the top clubs, some of whom have little respect for the heart and soul of the beautiful game. Audentis fortuna iuvat (Virgil, 19BC)
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roman eagle

South London 21 Dec 23 1.39pm

In theory this opens the door to any commercial organisation setting up a rival league in Europe. It could end up like the mess that is boxing, with numerous competing championships. As it would be outside the FIFA/UEFA sanctioned organisation they could also change the laws if they wished. Would they get referees on board? Would the UK government ban clubs from breaking away? Would fans accept a breakaway?

In the end it comes down to greed for money and power of the top clubs, some of whom have little respect for the heart and soul of the beautiful game.

Audentis fortuna iuvat (Virgil, 19BC)

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cROYdonrogers Leamington Spa 21 Dec 23 1.44pm
Sit tight. VAR are still reviewing. Agree with original post. Let them go. Would open things up nicely. They talk about the Big Six. What about Newcastle?
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cROYdonrogers

Leamington Spa 21 Dec 23 1.44pm

Sit tight. VAR are still reviewing.
Agree with original post. Let them go. Would open things up nicely.
They talk about the Big Six. What about Newcastle?

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 21 Dec 23 1.49pm
Originally posted by roman eagle In theory this opens the door to any commercial organisation setting up a rival league in Europe. It could end up like the mess that is boxing, with numerous competing championships. As it would be outside the FIFA/UEFA sanctioned organisation they could also change the laws if they wished. Would they get referees on board? Would the UK government ban clubs from breaking away? Would fans accept a breakaway? In the end it comes down to greed for money and power of the top clubs, some of whom have little respect for the heart and soul of the beautiful game. That's already been mentioned today, seems they are going to 'ban' any British club from joining, isn't that what the ESL just won a court ruling about, basically restraint of competition? This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 21 Dec 23 1.49pm

Originally posted by roman eagle

In the end it comes down to greed for money and power of the top clubs, some of whom have little respect for the heart and soul of the beautiful game.

That's already been mentioned today, seems they are going to 'ban' any British club from joining, isn't that what the ESL just won a court ruling about, basically restraint of competition?

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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Teddy Eagle 21 Dec 23 1.52pm
The government have said they'll prevent British teams joining though it's not clear how. Man United (and Bayern Munich) have already said they're not interested. That could change of course if it happens and the money involved is irresistible.
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Teddy Eagle

21 Dec 23 1.52pm

The government have said they'll prevent British teams joining though it's not clear how.
Man United (and Bayern Munich) have already said they're not interested. That could change of course if it happens and the money involved is irresistible.

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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Dec 23 1.59pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 That's already been mentioned today, seems they are going to 'ban' any British club from joining, isn't that what the ESL just won a court ruling about, basically restraint of competition? Exactly any attempt to ban clubs from forming a break away competition would ultimately fail in court it's a restraint on trade. I think the only thing that UEFA and the FA could do is throw them out of their own competitions. Every organisation has rules I can't see how a court would stop the FA from kicking out the big 6 if they refused to obey the rules. The issue today was they tried to stop them forming a breakaway competition. So either they compromise which means giving the big 6 what they want or they ask them to leave the PL and UEFA which I doubt the big 6 would be bothered by anyway. FYI The big 6 want to run their own rigged game it doesn't mean that their own fans agree with that, many of them don't. Edited by Badger11 (21 Dec 2023 1.59pm) One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 21 Dec 23 1.59pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

That's already been mentioned today, seems they are going to 'ban' any British club from joining, isn't that what the ESL just won a court ruling about, basically restraint of competition?

Exactly any attempt to ban clubs from forming a break away competition would ultimately fail in court it's a restraint on trade.

I think the only thing that UEFA and the FA could do is throw them out of their own competitions.

Every organisation has rules I can't see how a court would stop the FA from kicking out the big 6 if they refused to obey the rules. The issue today was they tried to stop them forming a breakaway competition.

So either they compromise which means giving the big 6 what they want or they ask them to leave the PL and UEFA which I doubt the big 6 would be bothered by anyway.

FYI
The big 6 want to run their own rigged game it doesn't mean that their own fans agree with that, many of them don't.

Edited by Badger11 (21 Dec 2023 1.59pm)

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esox lucius Deal 21 Dec 23 2.09pm
An away season ticket is going to be an expensive venture for the fans if you fancy one.
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esox lucius

Deal 21 Dec 23 2.09pm

An away season ticket is going to be an expensive venture for the fans if you fancy one.

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ambrose7 Croydon 21 Dec 23 2.49pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Exactly any attempt to ban clubs from forming a break away competition would ultimately fail in court it's a restraint on trade. I think the only thing that UEFA and the FA could do is throw them out of their own competitions. Every organisation has rules I can't see how a court would stop the FA from kicking out the big 6 if they refused to obey the rules. The issue today was they tried to stop them forming a breakaway competition. So either they compromise which means giving the big 6 what they want or they ask them to leave the PL and UEFA which I doubt the big 6 would be bothered by anyway. FYI The big 6 want to run their own rigged game it doesn't mean that their own fans agree with that, many of them don't. Edited by Badger11 (21 Dec 2023 1.59pm) And, unfortunately, that could likely backfire. The ESL is proposing a competition to go on top of the domestic leagues, clubs get thrown out of the domestic leagues as a punishment, and those clubs get the original season-long European Super League that they always wanted. Win the battle but lose the war and all that. I don't really see how UEFA wrangle their way out of this one. This could very easily end up like golf where LIV and PGA run side by side with different competitors. Edited by ambrose7 (21 Dec 2023 2.51pm) 26th January 2010 - Enter Administration 2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough 1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds 7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.
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ambrose7

Croydon 21 Dec 23 2.49pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Exactly any attempt to ban clubs from forming a break away competition would ultimately fail in court it's a restraint on trade.

I think the only thing that UEFA and the FA could do is throw them out of their own competitions.

So either they compromise which means giving the big 6 what they want or they ask them to leave the PL and UEFA which I doubt the big 6 would be bothered by anyway.

FYI
The big 6 want to run their own rigged game it doesn't mean that their own fans agree with that, many of them don't.

Edited by Badger11 (21 Dec 2023 1.59pm)

And, unfortunately, that could likely backfire. The ESL is proposing a competition to go on top of the domestic leagues, clubs get thrown out of the domestic leagues as a punishment, and those clubs get the original season-long European Super League that they always wanted.

Win the battle but lose the war and all that.

I don't really see how UEFA wrangle their way out of this one. This could very easily end up like golf where LIV and PGA run side by side with different competitors.

Edited by ambrose7 (21 Dec 2023 2.51pm)

26th January 2010 - Enter Administration
2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough
1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds
7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.

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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Dec 23 3.26pm
Originally posted by ambrose7 And, unfortunately, that could likely backfire. The ESL is proposing a competition to go on top of the domestic leagues, clubs get thrown out of the domestic leagues as a punishment, and those clubs get the original season-long European Super League that they always wanted. Win the battle but lose the war and all that. I don't really see how UEFA wrangle their way out of this one. This could very easily end up like golf where LIV and PGA run side by side with different competitors. Edited by ambrose7 (21 Dec 2023 2.51pm) Agreed. I think for the rest of us football fans there is no good solution. UEFA could cave and as a price of staying in the Champions League the big clubs get their way or they let them go. Either way it's not good for football as the money men win. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 21 Dec 23 3.26pm

Originally posted by ambrose7

Win the battle but lose the war and all that.

I don't really see how UEFA wrangle their way out of this one. This could very easily end up like golf where LIV and PGA run side by side with different competitors.

Edited by ambrose7 (21 Dec 2023 2.51pm)

Agreed. I think for the rest of us football fans there is no good solution. UEFA could cave and as a price of staying in the Champions League the big clubs get their way or they let them go. Either way it's not good for football as the money men win.

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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Dec 23 3.27pm
Originally posted by esox lucius An away season ticket is going to be an expensive venture for the fans if you fancy one. And that's where the TV rights come in with the money going to the big boys of course. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 21 Dec 23 3.27pm

Originally posted by esox lucius

An away season ticket is going to be an expensive venture for the fans if you fancy one.

And that's where the TV rights come in with the money going to the big boys of course.

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Badger11 Beckenham 22 Dec 23 7.15am
So most of the big European clubs have issued statements that they are not interested in the ESL. So that's it then, a dead duck or perhaps a league for minor countries and clubs. Do not believe it. The mistake the clubs made last time was to embrace the idea to quickly and too eagerly upsetting their fans with zero consultation. I still believe it will happen but they will be more cautious now. In the next 2/3 years expect to see weasel statements from the big clubs drip fed that they don't really want to join but as their competitors have..... It's going happen and it will be an Old Boy network. Never mind what the current idea is they will change that later to ensure it favours them. And don't be surprised when they start inviting clubs outside of Europe to join. Damn them to hell. Edited by Badger11 (22 Dec 2023 7.16am) One more point
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Beckenham 22 Dec 23 7.15am

So most of the big European clubs have issued statements that they are not interested in the ESL. So that's it then, a dead duck or perhaps a league for minor countries and clubs.

Do not believe it.

The mistake the clubs made last time was to embrace the idea to quickly and too eagerly upsetting their fans with zero consultation.

I still believe it will happen but they will be more cautious now. In the next 2/3 years expect to see weasel statements from the big clubs drip fed that they don't really want to join but as their competitors have.....

It's going happen and it will be an Old Boy network. Never mind what the current idea is they will change that later to ensure it favours them. And don't be surprised when they start inviting clubs outside of Europe to join.

Damn them to hell.

Edited by Badger11 (22 Dec 2023 7.16am)

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Painter Croydon 22 Dec 23 9.15am
Arsenal and Palace have confirmed they won’t be joining any Super League and will play in FIFA competitions only.
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Painter

Croydon 22 Dec 23 9.15am

Arsenal and Palace have confirmed they won’t be joining any Super League and will play in FIFA competitions only.

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becky over the moon 22 Dec 23 9.41am
Originally posted by Badger11 So most of the big European clubs have issued statements that they are not interested in the ESL. So that's it then, a dead duck or perhaps a league for minor countries and clubs. Do not believe it. The mistake the clubs made last time was to embrace the idea to quickly and too eagerly upsetting their fans with zero consultation. I still believe it will happen but they will be more cautious now. In the next 2/3 years expect to see weasel statements from the big clubs drip fed that they don't really want to join but as their competitors have..... It's going happen and it will be an Old Boy network. Never mind what the current idea is they will change that later to ensure it favours them. And don't be surprised when they start inviting clubs outside of Europe to join. Damn them to hell. Edited by Badger11 (22 Dec 2023 7.16am) Blueprint courtesy of the Eurovision Song Contest A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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becky

over the moon 22 Dec 23 9.41am

Originally posted by Badger11

So most of the big European clubs have issued statements that they are not interested in the ESL. So that's it then, a dead duck or perhaps a league for minor countries and clubs.

Do not believe it.

The mistake the clubs made last time was to embrace the idea to quickly and too eagerly upsetting their fans with zero consultation.

Damn them to hell.

Edited by Badger11 (22 Dec 2023 7.16am)

Blueprint courtesy of the Eurovision Song Contest

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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