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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Nov 23 7.15pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by BrentisBack

Maybe he’s just not into virtue signaling?

Are you serious?

People of almost every race religion and creed have died in wars over the centuries, and the poppy can represent any one of them.
It is a symbol of remembrance, for most in Britain, of those that died so we could avoid being under the boot of our enemy.
It is not intended to be political, sectarian, racial or antagonistic in any way, and virtue has nothing to do with it.

But I will give you credit. It takes some balls for a Lefty to talk about virtue signalling.

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 10 Nov 23 8.25pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


People of almost every race religion and creed have died in wars over the centuries, and the poppy can represent any one of them.

It is a symbol of remembrance, for most in Britain, of those that died so we could avoid being under the boot of our enemy.

It is not intended to be political, sectarian, racial or antagonistic in any way, and virtue has nothing to do with it.
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Does the Poppy also commemorate the German War dead , from two World Wars ?

how do you feel about poppies next year, for Brits dying in Ukraine or Gaza next week ? Why are Wars a constant ? when 1914-18 was called 'the war to end all wars' ?

and if our Ministry of Defence is off fighting in Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Ukraine.....or wherever.....who exactly are they 'Defending' ? investors ? oil men ? other ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (10 Nov 2023 8.55pm)

 


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BrentisBack Flag Beckenham 10 Nov 23 10.37pm

Yes I’m being serious. If said player isn’t into war or commemorating the fallen for whatever reason, then it would be virtue signalling. We don’t get to tell others that they have to give their support to any cause/remembrance/movement.
Conversely, just because he doesn’t wear a poppy, it doesn’t mean that he doesn’t respect the remembrance in other ways. They might just not be into wearing a poppy.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Are you serious?

People of almost every race religion and creed have died in wars over the centuries, and the poppy can represent any one of them.
It is a symbol of remembrance, for most in Britain, of those that died so we could avoid being under the boot of our enemy.
It is not intended to be political, sectarian, racial or antagonistic in any way, and virtue has nothing to do with it.

But I will give you credit. It takes some balls for a Lefty to talk about virtue signalling.

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 10 Nov 23 11.46pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Does the Poppy also commemorate the German War dead , from two World Wars ?

how do you feel about poppies next year, for Brits dying in Ukraine or Gaza next week ? Why are Wars a constant ? when 1914-18 was called 'the war to end all wars' ?

and if our Ministry of Defence is off fighting in Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Ukraine.....or wherever.....who exactly are they 'Defending' ? investors ? oil men ? other ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (10 Nov 2023 8.55pm)

Poppy Day is to remember British and Commonwealth war dead.

Edited by HKOwen (10 Nov 2023 11.50pm)

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Nov 23 7.32am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by BrentisBack

Yes I’m being serious. If said player isn’t into war or commemorating the fallen for whatever reason, then it would be virtue signalling. We don’t get to tell others that they have to give their support to any cause/remembrance/movement.
Conversely, just because he doesn’t wear a poppy, it doesn’t mean that he doesn’t respect the remembrance in other ways. They might just not be into wearing a poppy.

“We don’t get to tell others that they have to give their support to any cause/rememberance/ movement”!! Really! I give you BLM and taking the knee.

 

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BrentisBack Flag Beckenham 11 Nov 23 8.13am

Originally posted by Spiderman

“We don’t get to tell others that they have to give their support to any cause/rememberance/ movement”!! Really! I give you BLM and taking the knee.

I think you might find that the players wanted to take the knee to support the anti racism meaning behind it. For no other reason than that they are against racism having all come up playing the most multi cultural sport/pastime/way of life known to man. Ever thought about that?

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 11 Nov 23 8.21am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by BrentisBack

I think you might find that the players wanted to take the knee to support the anti racism meaning behind it. For no other reason than that they are against racism having all come up playing the most multi cultural sport/pastime/way of life known to man. Ever thought about that?

Kick it out not good enough then as that is for all forms of discrimination !

 

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BrentisBack Flag Beckenham 11 Nov 23 9.23am

Originally posted by cryrst

Kick it out not good enough then as that is for all forms of discrimination !

Clearly not given the rise in racist incidents over the past few seasons up until last. They gave the thing a reboot and it worked for a while. I can’t even remember if they’re still doing it. Good question to ask, is that loads on here we’re calling taking the knee virtue signalling. So why are others not allowed to call poppy wearing virtue signalling? Smacks of hypocrisy again from the ‘free speech unless we don’t like it’ mob again if you ask me.

Edited by BrentisBack (11 Nov 2023 9.24am)

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Nov 23 12.04pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Stuff not taught/ never mentioned in Ireland:

The German's plan for Ireland.
The amount of Irish who, contrary to their own country's law, volunteered for The British Armed Forces.
The turning away of thousands of Jewish refugees, who ended up dead. No way was Ireland taking any.


What is known somewhat, some people will discuss:

De Valera offering condolences to Herr Hempel, The German Ambassador, when Hitler died.
The Nazis harboured by Ireland after the war.

The old German embassy in Dublin was last decorated in the thirties: you should see the swastikas - everywhere. Mad.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Nov 23 12.10pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Stuff not taught/ never mentioned in Ireland:

The German's plan for Ireland.
The amount of Irish who, contrary to their own country's law, volunteered for The British Armed Forces.
The turning away of thousands of Jewish refugees, who ended up dead. No way was Ireland taking any.


What is known somewhat, some people will discuss:

De Valera offering condolences to Herr Hempel, The German Ambassador, when Hitler died.
The Nazis harboured by Ireland after the war.

The old German embassy in Dublin was last decorated in the thirties: you should see the swastikas - everywhere. Mad.

And the IRA's close links with the Nazis something they have since been trying to airbrush from their history.

 


One more point

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Nov 23 12.24pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by BrentisBack

Clearly not given the rise in racist incidents over the past few seasons up until last. They gave the thing a reboot and it worked for a while. I can’t even remember if they’re still doing it. Good question to ask, is that loads on here we’re calling taking the knee virtue signalling. So why are others not allowed to call poppy wearing virtue signalling? Smacks of hypocrisy again from the ‘free speech unless we don’t like it’ mob again if you ask me.

Edited by BrentisBack (11 Nov 2023 9.24am)

Well firstly they can and you have just done that but more importantly you are wrong.

Virtue signalling is when somebody "discovers" a problem tells the world but does nothing meaningful about it. For example a celebrity sends a tweet supporting the plight of gay dolphins and that's it onto the next hot topic.

Remembrance Sunday is not a political cause or a campaign with goals. It is simply a time for many people to remember loved ones who died or were wounded fighting for this country.

The ceremony started as hundreds of thousands of wives, mothers and other family members had lost someone and did not have a body to bury. How could they grieve without a funeral service and a body?

There is no agenda behind this, no goal other than to observe a silence for a few minutes on a Sunday whilst people contemplate and pay respects for the sacrifice of others.

If that is virtue signalling than anyone who goes to a grave of a loved one is guilty of the same thing.

 


One more point

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Nov 23 12.28pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

And the IRA's close links with the Nazis something they have since been trying to airbrush from their history.

I'm going to be quite fair here and say it's far less than you might think. Considering tens of thousands (and when you include the US, hundreds of thousands) of Irish fought on the Allied side, only really maybe a hundred or so (probably less) were on the side of the Nazis. Famous ones: Lord Haw, Haw, William Joyce - buried opposite where I work. Jack Murphy who worked with Otto Skorzeny and his special forces, particularly at the Battle of the Bulge. Skorzeny was cleared of war crimes and retired and died in Ireland. His uniform was on display in the Irish war museum. Last I looked Murphy was still alive in Kinvara but I suspect he's dead now. Hitler's Irishmen is one of the books that covers it.
One way Irish were recruited was after Dunkirk, the German's went around POW camps trying to recruit Irish prisoners. In some ways you wouldn't fully blame them thinking Germany had won anyway, at that time. Plus, who wants to be a prisoner of war for years? Unappealing to say the least. Also remember, average people were completely ignorant of Nazi death camps and doctrine, in the main.

 


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