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Stirlingsays Flag 21 Oct 23 6.16pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I don't think the damage inflicted her is recoverable.

Every lever that is pressed has an equally adverse reaction.

Just to service the debt amassed by the conservatives in office is astronomical.

Yep, it can't be done....apparently that was privately finally accepted post 2008, if not before.

It's all about being able to service the interest on the debt......which is also a joke....For example, the US earns around 4 trillion and is spending around 6 trillion.....the interest is running out of control and they don't care because it's about kicking the can down the road and not being that guy in the road when it runs out.

Unless there is a loss of confidence or some other shock the interest can be serviced up until around 27 or 28.....but I can see the cards falling by 2030 definitely.

Once you can't keep up with paying debt interest.....unless the creditors universally agree on deferment you're buggered....and even if they do no one's going to buy bonds anymore....or in other words government debt anymore.

Now that'll be tough for all of us.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Oct 2023 6.19pm)

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 21 Oct 23 8.15pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, it can't be done....apparently that was privately finally accepted post 2008, if not before.

It's all about being able to service the interest on the debt......which is also a joke....For example, the US earns around 4 trillion and is spending around 6 trillion.....the interest is running out of control and they don't care because it's about kicking the can down the road and not being that guy in the road when it runs out.

Unless there is a loss of confidence or some other shock the interest can be serviced up until around 27 or 28.....but I can see the cards falling by 2030 definitely.

Once you can't keep up with paying debt interest.....unless the creditors universally agree on deferment you're buggered....and even if they do no one's going to buy bonds anymore....or in other words government debt anymore.

Now that'll be tough for all of us.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Oct 2023 6.19pm)

the two greatest lynchpins of Western Civilisation......

- Judeo-Christianity
- our Economic system


and , in my opinion, both are hokum. Hot air. fantasy, and built on sand.

there is a Black Hole of debt , bigger than the Planet.

And we all worship a David Koresh type hairy bloke who 'walked on water' ( or any other organised religion....talking snakes, flying carpets, elephant headed deities....)

Edited by PalazioVecchio (21 Oct 2023 8.29pm)

 


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Glazier#1 Flag 22 Oct 23 1.06pm Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Originally posted by nead1

Another way of describing it would be "totally and utterly deluded". Apparently she was signing copies of her mini budget at recent Tory party conference. One can only imagine the kinds of people she was signing them for - bizarre.

Step up Willo, you've been mentioned!

 

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orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 22 Oct 23 5.55pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Long before COVID and lockdowns and long before Truss, a fiscal decision was taken to freeze personal allowances on income tax.

This measure alone has contributed massively to us becoming a highly taxed economy and comments from some that Sunak is not a 'proper Tory,' not saying he was responsible for said freeze, rather he is in charge now when taxes are high.

Inflation is a factor but sadly seeing it go down is not a tax cut, it simply means price rises are slowing.

We are now roughly a year away from a general election. We have an autumn statement and a budget before then so I expect a bot of a give away to keep traditional Tory voters on side. If that means a Tory victory then that's a price some.geel might be worth paying of not it becomes someone else's problem

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 24 Oct 23 11.55pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Credit rating agencies are generally staffed by people who couldn't make the grade in banking or failed in another finance discipline.

The last two insurance company failures in the UK for example were both rated at leats A+.

Giving credibility to these rating companies amd more importantly having them influence interest rates on borrowing is a mystery.

It's the Bank of England or IMF mentality, consistently wrong and not fit for purpose but better than nothing.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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beak Flag croydon 25 Oct 23 8.53am Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Credit rating agencies are generally staffed by people who couldn't make the grade in banking or failed in another finance discipline.

The last two insurance company failures in the UK for example were both rated at leats A+.

Giving credibility to these rating companies amd more importantly having them influence interest rates on borrowing is a mystery.

It's the Bank of England or IMF mentality, consistently wrong and not fit for purpose but better than nothing.

....and your qualifications are? Also what is a leats in bold above.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Oct 23 9.07am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by beak

....and your qualifications are? Also what is a leats in bold above.

I think he meant least.

He has a point Credit Rating agencies live a charmed life. They consistently get things wrong and then are great at telling the rest of us about it too late.

I have seen this over decades, where were they in 2008? Many countries have failed to repay their debt and the ratings got cut only when they stopped paying.

They are the masters of hindsight when what we need is foresight.

Edited by Badger11 (25 Oct 2023 9.07am)

 


One more point

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beak Flag croydon 25 Oct 23 9.15am Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I think he meant least.

He has a point Credit Rating agencies live a charmed life. They consistently get things wrong and then are great at telling the rest of us about it too late.

I have seen this over decades, where were they in 2008? Many countries have failed to repay their debt and the ratings got cut only when they stopped paying.

They are the masters of hindsight when what we need is foresight.

Edited by Badger11 (25 Oct 2023 9.07am)

The old Hillaire Belloc line is applicable here, "Hold on to nurse for fear of something worse". The Credit Agencies are heeded by every financial institution,until a better situation develops that what we have. Thank god we can soon replace the Tory Party with something much better.

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 25 Oct 23 9.38am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by beak

....and your qualifications are? Also what is a leats in bold above.

typo for least

I have been dealing with rating agencies, mostly A.M Best and Moody's for 40 years in a professional capacity in the field of non-life insurance.

Doubtless you are better qualified than me though.

Edited by HKOwen (25 Oct 2023 9.40am)

 


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beak Flag croydon 25 Oct 23 9.42am Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

typo for least

I have been dealing with rating agencies, mostly A.M Best and Moody's for 40 years in a professional capacity in the field of non-life insurance.

Doubtless you are better qualified than me though.

Edited by HKOwen (25 Oct 2023 9.40am)


I thought you were in a ditch.

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 25 Oct 23 9.52am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by beak


I thought you were in a ditch.

No , you just thought you would try and score a typo point.

Edited by HKOwen (25 Oct 2023 9.53am)

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Oct 23 10.01am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Credit rating agencies are generally staffed by people who couldn't make the grade in banking or failed in another finance discipline.

The last two insurance company failures in the UK for example were both rated at leats A+.

Giving credibility to these rating companies amd more importantly having them influence interest rates on borrowing is a mystery.

It's the Bank of England or IMF mentality, consistently wrong and not fit for purpose but better than nothing.

My daughter worked for Moodys and then for Bloomberg before becoming a Mum. I can assure you she got a good degree and never worked for a bank. Whilst at Moodys she described the forensic analysis they did whenever red flags appeared over any company or sector. It obviously cannot see that which is being hidden but is still much better than having to use hunches.

 


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