you are using a term i have always struggled to understand.

Extremists versus what ? moderates, or lukewarm ?

how about 'not really following the teachings of the Holy Book'.

Osama Bin Laden is reported to have drunk alcohol and many other anti-islamic vices. So does he adhere to the book or not ? is he an extremist or not ?

Moderates living next door to you ? are they moderate or lapsed-failed Muslims ? it all depends on who you ask. And if they chant for the murder of , say, gays, Jews or apostates, then are they extremists ? what about the Saudi Government ?

or were they only following the orders of the Book ?

and what about Christian Extremists ? the Book of Leviticus is fairly violent and scary. And remember the Crusades.

if my next door neighbour doesnt drink alcohol, is he more extreme than Bin Laden ?

was Martin McGuinness an IRA extremist ? or was he just IRA ? what about Shane McGowan ?

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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

'my point' ...is more of a question than a statement. What is an extremist ?

if a fella eats Pork & drinks alcohol, is he not a real Muslim ?

was Tony Blair an extremist ? in the Middle East, maybe. In Ulster maybe he was a peacemaker.

do the media ever report on Israeli extremists ? or Jewish terrorists ?

were all Nazi's also Extremists ? in which case, you do not need to qualify the term. What about Nazi Moderates ? Reportedly, Hitlers Architect, Albert Speer , was never involved in any genocidal stuff. Only an architect....but still a Nazi. And again, what about the nice old Lady living next door to you in Munich ? she voted for Hitler cos she agreed with his policy on education for her kids ? moderate or extremist ?

If that lady drapes a swastika in front of her house, but doesnt approve of Concentration camps, is she 'not a real Nazi' ?

i guess my point is.......there are too many nutters in political & religious life. And we should blame the opinion-leaders....whoever they may be identified as. Priests, Rabbis, Imams, Journalists, politicians etc .

And also blame the Holy teachings written in texts. They must also be held to account, even if they were written thousands of years ago. Mein Kampf, the Bible, the Koran, the Torah/Talmud.....if it calls for murder then it is surely a bloody book ? Do we censor bloody-books ?

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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Thank goodness for that, Hrolf. Otherwise HOL would run out of members overnight!

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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No arrests for supporting BHA though unfortunately.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Disgraceful in Australia

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

What’s important in this is to ensure we treat those who commit atrocities as the criminals they are. We need to be ruthless in our efforts to identify them before they act and severe in our punishments if they do.

What we mustn’t do is ostracise all the Muslims who aren’t terrorists. We must treat people on how they behave and not on what they believe.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.