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Matov 02 Oct 23 8.32am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Be careful what you wish for. Problem is that this is how they have conned us over the years. We are all conditioned into this red & blue thinking where the reality is that it makes no real difference anymore. How can it honestly be worse under Labour? The ironic thing is that Labour can probably get away with being more reactionary than the Conservatives because their supporters, who occupy the more senior positions in various national institutions are less likely to throw spanners in the works of all kinds of things based solely on the fact that the measures are being implemented by their favoured 'brand' as opposed to the Tories. How anybody who proclaims themselves of the Left can support a Starmer-led anything is beyond me given the man's obscene duplicitousness but by the same token, how anybody of the Right can support the Conservatives given what they have actually DONE (or rather not) since 2010 is an utter mystery to me now. A curse on both their houses. Which need knocking down. Not supporting. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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02 Oct 23 8.32am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Be careful what you wish for.

Problem is that this is how they have conned us over the years. We are all conditioned into this red & blue thinking where the reality is that it makes no real difference anymore.

How can it honestly be worse under Labour? The ironic thing is that Labour can probably get away with being more reactionary than the Conservatives because their supporters, who occupy the more senior positions in various national institutions are less likely to throw spanners in the works of all kinds of things based solely on the fact that the measures are being implemented by their favoured 'brand' as opposed to the Tories.

How anybody who proclaims themselves of the Left can support a Starmer-led anything is beyond me given the man's obscene duplicitousness but by the same token, how anybody of the Right can support the Conservatives given what they have actually DONE (or rather not) since 2010 is an utter mystery to me now.

A curse on both their houses. Which need knocking down. Not supporting.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Oct 23 8.58am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly When I lived in Forest Hill (pre-2012) there used to be a tall bloke (30's) come into the pub of an afternoon, taking grocery orders. He's be back 15 minutes later with packs of meat, bottles of wine, etc and took payments in cash. He was blatantly nicking stuff to order from the local Tesco's, but because he was so big, the security guards didn't want any hassle. And who can blame the security guys, who are probably on minimum wage, and want to go home safe to their families.? And not stabbed for a bottle of Frexinet. Which pub out of interest FHB? Sounds like a Chandos or possibly Bird in Hand situation althouh there are other contenders! Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Oct 23 8.58am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

When I lived in Forest Hill (pre-2012) there used to be a tall bloke (30's) come into the pub of an afternoon, taking grocery orders.
He's be back 15 minutes later with packs of meat, bottles of wine, etc and took payments in cash.
He was blatantly nicking stuff to order from the local Tesco's, but because he was so big, the security guards didn't want any hassle.
And who can blame the security guys, who are probably on minimum wage, and want to go home safe to their families.? And not stabbed for a bottle of Frexinet.

Which pub out of interest FHB?

Sounds like a Chandos or possibly Bird in Hand situation althouh there are other contenders!

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Oct 23 9.23am
Originally posted by Matov Problem is that this is how they have conned us over the years. We are all conditioned into this red & blue thinking where the reality is that it makes no real difference anymore. How can it honestly be worse under Labour? The ironic thing is that Labour can probably get away with being more reactionary than the Conservatives because their supporters, who occupy the more senior positions in various national institutions are less likely to throw spanners in the works of all kinds of things based solely on the fact that the measures are being implemented by their favoured 'brand' as opposed to the Tories. How anybody who proclaims themselves of the Left can support a Starmer-led anything is beyond me given the man's obscene duplicitousness but by the same token, how anybody of the Right can support the Conservatives given what they have actually DONE (or rather not) since 2010 is an utter mystery to me now. A curse on both their houses. Which need knocking down. Not supporting. There is less party loyalty now than at any time I have known. Only the young and totally dim actually believe anything that politicians say. Even if we could, they do not pull the strings. Maybe they never did.
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02 Oct 23 9.23am

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Originally posted by Matov

Problem is that this is how they have conned us over the years. We are all conditioned into this red & blue thinking where the reality is that it makes no real difference anymore.

A curse on both their houses. Which need knocking down. Not supporting.

There is less party loyalty now than at any time I have known.

Only the young and totally dim actually believe anything that politicians say.
Even if we could, they do not pull the strings. Maybe they never did.

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CrazyBadger Ware 02 Oct 23 10.32am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger There is less party loyalty now than at any time I have known. Only the young and totally dim actually believe anything that politicians say. Even if we could, they do not pull the strings. Maybe they never did. I'm traditionally a Tory voter - but only really due to a best of a bad bunch of options. I've also held the view that a party need time to implement their policies, and a little faith is required to see them through. Switching from one party to another does no-one any good. But with the amount of Tory PMs we've had over their rule, this has effectively happened anyway, and Faith in any politician nowadays is difficult to justify. I'm now in the position of not knowing who I'd vote for the next time it comes about. Feel like we need a change from the current mob, but Labour? Just be going from one bunch of self serving pr1cks to another. May as well go Green as a protest. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 02 Oct 23 10.32am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There is less party loyalty now than at any time I have known.

Only the young and totally dim actually believe anything that politicians say.
Even if we could, they do not pull the strings. Maybe they never did.

I'm traditionally a Tory voter - but only really due to a best of a bad bunch of options. I've also held the view that a party need time to implement their policies, and a little faith is required to see them through. Switching from one party to another does no-one any good. But with the amount of Tory PMs we've had over their rule, this has effectively happened anyway, and Faith in any politician nowadays is difficult to justify.

I'm now in the position of not knowing who I'd vote for the next time it comes about. Feel like we need a change from the current mob, but Labour? Just be going from one bunch of self serving pr1cks to another.

May as well go Green as a protest.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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CrazyBadger Ware 02 Oct 23 10.38am
Originally posted by CrazyBadger I'm traditionally a Tory voter - but only really due to a best of a bad bunch of options. I've also held the view that a party need time to implement their policies, and a little faith is required to see them through. Switching from one party to another does no-one any good. But with the amount of Tory PMs we've had over their rule, this has effectively happened anyway, and Faith in any politician nowadays is difficult to justify. I'm now in the position of not knowing who I'd vote for the next time it comes about. Feel like we need a change from the current mob, but Labour? Just be going from one bunch of self serving pr1cks to another. May as well go Green as a protest. Sorry that was off topic... Shoplifting increasing simply because cost of living is so high. coupled with an already stretched police force has more important things to deal with than a shop losing profits. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 02 Oct 23 10.38am

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

May as well go Green as a protest.

Sorry that was off topic...

Shoplifting increasing simply because cost of living is so high.
coupled with an already stretched police force has more important things to deal with than a shop losing profits.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 02 Oct 23 11.10am
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Which pub out of interest FHB? Sounds like a Chandos or possibly Bird in Hand situation althouh there are other contenders! It was the old Wetherspoons on Kirkdale. (can't remember the name, and I don't think it's there any more). The bloke robbed to order from the Tesco Express, 4 doors away I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by Nicholas91

Which pub out of interest FHB?

Sounds like a Chandos or possibly Bird in Hand situation althouh there are other contenders!

It was the old Wetherspoons on Kirkdale. (can't remember the name, and I don't think it's there any more). The bloke robbed to order from the Tesco Express, 4 doors away

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 02 Oct 23 11.31am
My Mum was Store Detective at M&S in Croydon in the late 60s and she nicked lots of folk, women mostly, nicking stuff. Shoplifting was quite an industry then, but I suppose it's just a bigger problem today. They were mainly individuals acting alone and now stores are raided by organised gangs. Not surprising that goods are less expensive online than on the High Street. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.
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My Mum was Store Detective at M&S in Croydon in the late 60s and she nicked lots of folk, women mostly, nicking stuff. Shoplifting was quite an industry then, but I suppose it's just a bigger problem today. They were mainly individuals acting alone and now stores are raided by organised gangs.

Not surprising that goods are less expensive online than on the High Street.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Oct 23 12.04pm
I was in our local Aldi last week and a family must have been working together to try to steal things but as soon as they tried to get through the checkout out the manager was there with all the available assistants and they were directed to the office. He was having no-nonsense from them. They must have been watching on CCTV. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 02 Oct 23 12.04pm

I was in our local Aldi last week and a family must have been working together to try to steal things but as soon as they tried to get through the checkout out the manager was there with all the available assistants and they were directed to the office. He was having no-nonsense from them. They must have been watching on CCTV.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Oct 23 12.10pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I was in our local Aldi last week and a family must have been working together to try to steal things but as soon as they tried to get through the checkout out the manager was there with all the available assistants and they were directed to the office. He was having no-nonsense from them. They must have been watching on CCTV. Aldi staff are far more likely to deal with it as they have a profit sharing bonus scheme. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Oct 23 12.10pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Aldi staff are far more likely to deal with it as they have a profit sharing bonus scheme.

Red and Blue Army!

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Oct 23 12.12pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly It was the old Wetherspoons on Kirkdale. (can't remember the name, and I don't think it's there any more). The bloke robbed to order from the Tesco Express, 4 doors away Ah! Was it the Windmill? More 'Sydenham - Crystal Palace' for my money but I seem to recall that was a Wetherspoons, albeit it may have had a different name?? On shoplifting, I think we are seeing the result of a further separation between classes in this country. London will of course always be the prime example of so many wealth categories being squashed together but the poorer seem to be getting poorer, there is growing discontent with the absolute state of the governing of the country and a diminishing Police Force unable to even turn up to crimes, let alone investigate or solve anything. There's almost a Robin Hood-esque moral justification of such crimes now. Worrying times unless you are able to seclude yourself in a part of the country which can price out those who'll be practising such anti-social behaviour on a day-to-day basis. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Oct 23 12.12pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

It was the old Wetherspoons on Kirkdale. (can't remember the name, and I don't think it's there any more). The bloke robbed to order from the Tesco Express, 4 doors away

Ah! Was it the Windmill? More 'Sydenham - Crystal Palace' for my money but I seem to recall that was a Wetherspoons, albeit it may have had a different name??

On shoplifting, I think we are seeing the result of a further separation between classes in this country. London will of course always be the prime example of so many wealth categories being squashed together but the poorer seem to be getting poorer, there is growing discontent with the absolute state of the governing of the country and a diminishing Police Force unable to even turn up to crimes, let alone investigate or solve anything. There's almost a Robin Hood-esque moral justification of such crimes now.

Worrying times unless you are able to seclude yourself in a part of the country which can price out those who'll be practising such anti-social behaviour on a day-to-day basis.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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HKOwen Hong Kong 02 Oct 23 12.12pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Which pub out of interest FHB? Sounds like a Chandos or possibly Bird in Hand situation althouh there are other contenders! I worked in the Chandos in the 70's Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 02 Oct 23 12.12pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Which pub out of interest FHB?

Sounds like a Chandos or possibly Bird in Hand situation althouh there are other contenders!

I worked in the Chandos in the 70's

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Teddy Eagle 02 Oct 23 1.12pm
Under the Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014 anything stolen under the value of £200 is referred to as ‘low value shoplifting’ - no court appearance if you're caught; just deal with it like a speeding ticket. The police are never going to turn up for anything treated like that however many of them there are.
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02 Oct 23 1.12pm

Under the Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014 anything stolen under the value of £200 is referred to as ‘low value shoplifting’ - no court appearance if you're caught; just deal with it like a speeding ticket. The police are never going to turn up for anything treated like that however many of them there are.

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