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YT Oxford 27 Sep 23 9.09pm | |
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I wonder what will happen when the drug users start dying in this facility i.e. because the medical staff in attendance fail to save them. Will the users have to sign an indemnity? Something like: "I agree that by taking illegal drugs I'm putting my own life at risk, therefore if I die it's nobody else's fault". Or, much more likely, will m'learned friends be straight in there with medical negligence claims?
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georgenorman 27 Sep 23 10.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that this is the only solution. Hanging from lamp-posts and bodies left to rot. The heads could be displayed on London Bridge as a sort of homage to the Middles Ages.
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silvertop Portishead 28 Sep 23 10.28am | |
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If you look at the reactions on here from largely elderly (and thus likely voting) folk you will understand than any initiative like the Glasgow one will not get widespread support or last. Funding will be the issue but Westminster, scared of losing the older vote, will blame it on too liberal an approach, publicly funding drug abuse and other rubbish. That will, of course, be music to the ears of the all important and endless grey-topped, hang-em and flog-em voting block. Only drama and one with an angle, I know, but the "Hamsterdam" episodes on The Wire gave an honest indication of what happens to projects like this. DER-obvious and highly effective but nevertheless shut down for "political" reasons. Too many vested interests in the fashionable "War on Drugs" and too many voters from the "Reefer Madness" generation. And on current drug policy, if an alien came down to earth they would ask a lot of germane questions. For instance, why is it still legal to sell tobacco, but illegal to sell the considerably less harmful weed? How is policy on drugs made by people sitting in a room freely and legally swilling Scotch, a drug far more harmful and destructive than almost all proscribed drugs? And why does any responsible government not directly intervene in drug supply, rather than leave it to the "free market" who mix drugs with anything they like, murder anyone who disrupts their trade, leaves folk to die etc.?
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silvertop Portishead 28 Sep 23 10.31am | |
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Originally posted by YT
I wonder what will happen when the drug users start dying in this facility i.e. because the medical staff in attendance fail to save them. Will the users have to sign an indemnity? Something like: "I agree that by taking illegal drugs I'm putting my own life at risk, therefore if I die it's nobody else's fault". Or, much more likely, will m'learned friends be straight in there with medical negligence claims? This can be addressed through primary legislation. Kind of like the defence against those suing for injuries when they willingly took part in a dangerous sport, but given legal status through an act of parliament.
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georgenorman 28 Sep 23 10.36am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
If you look at the reactions on here from largely elderly (and thus likely voting) folk you will understand than any initiative like the Glasgow one will not get widespread support or last. Funding will be the issue but Westminster, scared of losing the older vote, will blame it on too liberal an approach, publicly funding drug abuse and other rubbish. That will, of course, be music to the ears of the all important and endless grey-topped, hang-em and flog-em voting block. Only drama and one with an angle, I know, but the "Hamsterdam" episodes on The Wire gave an honest indication of what happens to projects like this. DER-obvious and highly effective but nevertheless shut down for "political" reasons. Too many vested interests in the fashionable "War on Drugs" and too many voters from the "Reefer Madness" generation. And on current drug policy, if an alien came down to earth they would ask a lot of germane questions. For instance, why is it still legal to sell tobacco, but illegal to sell the considerably less harmful weed? How is policy on drugs made by people sitting in a room freely and legally swilling Scotch, a drug far more harmful and destructive than almost all proscribed drugs? And why does any responsible government not directly intervene in drug supply, rather than leave it to the "free market" who mix drugs with anything they like, murder anyone who disrupts their trade, leaves folk to die etc.? Utter nonsense to suggest that smoking marijuana is "considerably less harmful" than smoking tobacco. I certainly agree that the electorate would reject the pro-drugs lobby - they collectively have more sense than the likes of you.
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silvertop Portishead 28 Sep 23 11.04am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Utter nonsense to suggest that smoking marijuana is "considerably less harmful" than smoking tobacco. I certainly agree that the electorate would reject the pro-drugs lobby - they collectively have more sense than the likes of you. Actually, it isn't . Look it up. And I am not talkin about skunk and other artificially enhanced versions. What is utter nonsense, is people who still genuinely think it is utter nonsense Sadly, that goes back to the fact that the law will never change to any workable project so long as those who control the vote think it utter nonsense.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 28 Sep 23 11.15am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
If you look at the reactions on here from largely elderly (and thus likely voting) folk you will understand than any initiative like the Glasgow one will not get widespread support or last. Funding will be the issue but Westminster, scared of losing the older vote, will blame it on too liberal an approach, publicly funding drug abuse and other rubbish. That will, of course, be music to the ears of the all important and endless grey-topped, hang-em and flog-em voting block. Only drama and one with an angle, I know, but the "Hamsterdam" episodes on The Wire gave an honest indication of what happens to projects like this. DER-obvious and highly effective but nevertheless shut down for "political" reasons. Too many vested interests in the fashionable "War on Drugs" and too many voters from the "Reefer Madness" generation. And on current drug policy, if an alien came down to earth they would ask a lot of germane questions. For instance, why is it still legal to sell tobacco, but illegal to sell the considerably less harmful weed? How is policy on drugs made by people sitting in a room freely and legally swilling Scotch, a drug far more harmful and destructive than almost all proscribed drugs? And why does any responsible government not directly intervene in drug supply, rather than leave it to the "free market" who mix drugs with anything they like, murder anyone who disrupts their trade, leaves folk to die etc.? Great post - it is entirely a political decision to continue on our current path, because as you say there's a huge percentage of the population who, despite the decades of evidence to the contrary, are happy for us to continue banging the same stupid drum on this. We are completely 'anti-evidence' on this topic as a society, all the way down to what substances are legal and not.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 28 Sep 23 11.17am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Utter nonsense to suggest that smoking marijuana is "considerably less harmful" than smoking tobacco. I certainly agree that the electorate would reject the pro-drugs lobby - they collectively have more sense than the likes of you. Do you actually know that or is just based on one being normalised/legal and one not? On what health grounds is marijuana more harmful than tobacco?
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georgenorman 28 Sep 23 11.24am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Actually, it isn't . Look it up. And I am not talkin about skunk and other artificially enhanced versions. What is utter nonsense, is people who still genuinely think it is utter nonsense Sadly, that goes back to the fact that the law will never change to any workable project so long as those who control the vote think it utter nonsense. Smoking marijuana carries the same risks as smoking anything, along with the additional, well documented, mental health issues.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 28 Sep 23 11.28am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Smoking marijuana carries the same risks as smoking anything, along with the additional, well documented, mental health issues. The mental health angle with weed is still quite contested.
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georgenorman 28 Sep 23 11.34am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
The mental health angle with weed is still quite contested. A paragraph in your link says "The simple truth is that burning plant matter produces a lot of harmful chemicals, regardless of which plant it is. There are some differences between marijuana and tobacco smoke, but on the whole they’re very similar." This is miles away from the "considerably less harmful" stated by Silvertop. Nowhere in your link does it say marijuana is safer. Clearly and obviously it is not, yet pro-drugs supporters will keep trying to pretend that it is.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 28 Sep 23 11.36am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
A paragraph in your link says "The simple truth is that burning plant matter produces a lot of harmful chemicals, regardless of which plant it is. There are some differences between marijuana and tobacco smoke, but on the whole they’re very similar." This is miles away from the "considerably less harmful" stated by Silvertop. Nowhere in your link does it say marijuana is safer. Clearly and obviously it is not, yet pro-drugs supporters will keep trying to pretend that it is. Sure, although there are examples in the article of ways marijuana is safer. And if we're accepting they carry similar risks, it still makes it hard to understand why one is legal and one isn't.
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