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 Badger11  Beckenham 02 Sep 23 1.43pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Which it seems the ONS accept and are seeking ways to improve. You were inferring incompetence and deliberate misinformation. It’s not either. I do we can agree on that. I never said deliberate misinformation. This is more about incompetency than conspiracy and not just the ONS. Edited by Badger11 (02 Sep 2023 1.43pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Sep 23 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I never said deliberate misinformation. This is more about incompetency than conspiracy and not just the ONS. Edited by Badger11 (02 Sep 2023 1.43pm) Perhaps it's that the EU countries have developed a modern, coordinated system so that their statistics are genuinely comparable, and we, not being members, have been left behind? If so, that's not incompetence by the ONS. It's incompetence by us.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Sep 23 3.46pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Perhaps it's that the EU countries have developed a modern, coordinated system so that their statistics are genuinely comparable, and we, not being members, have been left behind? If so, that's not incompetence by the ONS. It's incompetence by us. I presume you've been to Portugal, Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Sep 23 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I presume you've been to Portugal, Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland? Greece next week. Portugal, Spain and Italy last year. Ireland not for several years. This is about the way the EU could be coordinating the way they gather statistics. Not that they are. I am speculating.
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| NE14T 02 Sep 23 5.21pm |
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It’s disgusting how organisations like the ONS and IMF can knowingly publish inaccurate damning data about the UK economy to show the woes of Brexit when they know full well the data is false or hugely skewed. It’s not helped by a baying mob here who are only to happy to believe the distortion. Do you notice how the inaccurate data is always front page BBC but when the truth is revealed the errors are briefly mentioned on page 12. No one in their right mind would argue Brexit has been a complete success. There are huge problems with it but also some advantages. Lets not have the lies and agendas please. We are all weaker for tactics like those.
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| Matov 02 Sep 23 5.32pm |
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Being a Remainer, pre the referendum was perfectly fine. Then becoming a Rejoiner was a perfectly valid political position to hold post it. My utter revulsion is for the piece of s*** who refused to accept the vote and then did everything to stop us leaving. And I do mean pieces of s***. People who only wished death on those who voted Leave. Utter scumbags is a far more accurate description.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Sep 23 5.33pm |
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Originally posted by NE14T
It’s disgusting how organisations like the ONS and IMF can knowingly publish inaccurate damning data about the UK economy to show the woes of Brexit when they know full well the data is false or hugely skewed. It’s not helped by a baying mob here who are only to happy to believe the distortion. Do you notice how the inaccurate data is always front page BBC but when the truth is revealed the errors are briefly mentioned on page 12. No one in their right mind would argue Brexit has been a complete success. There are huge problems with it but also some advantages. Lets not have the lies and agendas please. We are all weaker for tactics like those. If that was true it would be disgusting but as it isn’t remotely true it isn’t. Neither the ONS or the IMF have any kind of political view. They exist for very different reasons. One to inform, the other to be a last line of support for economics in difficulty.
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| Matov 02 Sep 23 5.56pm |
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Originally posted by NE14T
It’s disgusting how organisations like the ONS and IMF can knowingly publish inaccurate damning data about the UK economy to show the woes of Brexit when they know full well the data is false or hugely skewed. Whilst I cannot disagree with this, you have to give them a minute bit of lee-way in that economics, and 'economists' are an utterly discredited group whose claims on any and everything should be treated with the same credibility given to old Gipysy ladies offering to read your tea-leaves. So so many examples that it is not even worth listing them. Second only to people who predict the impact of climate 'change'
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Teddy Eagle  02 Sep 23 6.14pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Untrue. The term is frequently used to embrace all of those who voted to remain. Some, like myself, continue to regard it as a mistake which hopefully in time will be corrected, but aren’t moaning about the past event. That’s done. The focus is now only on the future. If a debate arises about some of the things that happened then perhaps comments will be made but only in the context of learning the lessons in the hope they won’t be repeated. That’s not moaning about the past. It’s preparing for the future. And how much of this focus and preparation is on anything other than rejoining the EU?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Sep 23 9.01pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Being a Remainer, pre the referendum was perfectly fine. Then becoming a Rejoiner was a perfectly valid political position to hold post it. My utter revulsion is for the piece of s*** who refused to accept the vote and then did everything to stop us leaving. And I do mean pieces of s***. People who only wished death on those who voted Leave. Utter scumbags is a far more accurate description. Nobody did any of those things. Parliament is sovereign. No referendum result can alter that. So if Parliament had decided that so much time had passed and that the terms of our leaving agreement so different to that which was promised during the referendum that it was wise to seek confirmation, then that was not only its right, it was its constitutional duty. It didn’t so decide but those who advocated for it were perfectly entitled to make the argument. Indeed they did so in the face of severe retribution from their Party. It was those, like Johnson, who truly behaved as pieces of s****! I heard none of them expressing death threats. Quite the reverse in fact.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Sep 23 9.08pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Whilst I cannot disagree with this, you have to give them a minute bit of lee-way in that economics, and 'economists' are an utterly discredited group whose claims on any and everything should be treated with the same credibility given to old Gipysy ladies offering to read your tea-leaves. So so many examples that it is not even worth listing them. Second only to people who predict the impact of climate 'change' Totally untrue. Economists are far from discredited. It’s not an exact science so if anything works out exactly as predicted it can only ever be by chance. They anticipate a range of eventualities and probabilities. Thus predicting general trends. The same applies to climate change. We won’t know everything until it happens but we know enough to be prepared. Only fools don’t now believe it is real and that action is needed on a variety of fronts.
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 georgenorman 02 Sep 23 9.13pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Totally untrue. Economists are far from discredited. It’s not an exact science so if anything works out exactly as predicted it can only ever be by chance. They anticipate a range of eventualities and probabilities. Thus predicting general trends. The same applies to climate change. We won’t know everything until it happens but we know enough to be prepared. Only fools don’t now believe it is real and that action is needed on a variety of fronts. You might as well use an ouija board than economics and climate change 'experts'.
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