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becky over the moon 24 Aug 23 7.39am
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle Anyone that's hoping that £18 trillion is going to get transferred into an overseas bank account is going to wait a long time - Now if they made a sensible / claim for projects that would benefit the population, for example: An appropriate number of infrastructure projects - schools, hospitals, power stations, sewage treatment plants etc (with managers / staff to run them for say 10 years whilst they became integrated self sufficient) with a clear mandate that upon completion the debt is paid then they have a much better chance of getting something. Errr.... haven't they already had that through the billions of 'Aid' paid over the years? A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 24 Aug 23 7.39am

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Anyone that's hoping that £18 trillion is going to get transferred into an overseas bank account is going to wait a long time -
Now if they made a sensible / claim for projects that would benefit the population, for example: An appropriate number of infrastructure projects - schools, hospitals, power stations, sewage treatment plants etc (with managers / staff to run them for say 10 years whilst they became integrated self sufficient) with a clear mandate that upon completion the debt is paid then they have a much better chance of getting something.

Errr.... haven't they already had that through the billions of 'Aid' paid over the years?

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Badger11 Beckenham 24 Aug 23 8.08am
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle Anyone that's hoping that £18 trillion is going to get transferred into an overseas bank account is going to wait a long time - Now if they made a sensible / claim for projects that would benefit the population, for example: An appropriate number of infrastructure projects - schools, hospitals, power stations, sewage treatment plants etc (with managers / staff to run them for say 10 years whilst they became integrated self sufficient) with a clear mandate that upon completion the debt is paid then they have a much better chance of getting something. Since the 1960's the west has given billions to Africa in infrastructure and emergency aid. This never gets mentioned when they bring up the bill for slavery nor how most of the aid was just trousered bu corrupt politicians.. One more point
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Beckenham 24 Aug 23 8.08am

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Since the 1960's the west has given billions to Africa in infrastructure and emergency aid. This never gets mentioned when they bring up the bill for slavery nor how most of the aid was just trousered bu corrupt politicians..

One more point

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silvertop Portishead 24 Aug 23 9.17am
Originally posted by Badger11 Since the 1960's the west has given billions to Africa in infrastructure and emergency aid. This never gets mentioned when they bring up the bill for slavery nor how most of the aid was just trousered bu corrupt politicians.. ...Which is precisely what would happen with the reparations and we would be required to stay quiet as to dare to criticize would be racist/white saviour etc
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Portishead 24 Aug 23 9.17am

Originally posted by Badger11

...Which is precisely what would happen with the reparations and we would be required to stay quiet as to dare to criticize would be racist/white saviour etc

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PalazioVecchio south pole 24 Aug 23 10.25am
reparation ? i seem to recall the Zimbabwe Rulers all getting reparations from the White Farmers over there. RiP very often, after machete thugs confiscated the land, it was discovered that the Farmer still had a large mortgage on the property. So, imagine you borrow a ton of money to buy a house in, say, Purley, and an armed gang decided to forcibly evict you from the premises......cos YOU are the Patriarchy, you are the Oppressor...having the temerity to go to work every morning. Reparation and Atonement for the crimes of History : where do we start ? about 6,000 years ago the Yamnaya descended into Western Europe and killed all your male relatives....We are descended from the violent monsters....shall we now make a financial contribution to atone for their sins ? Sell off Stonehenge cos it was effectively robbed by the invaders ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (24 Aug 2023 10.26am) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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reparation ?

i seem to recall the Zimbabwe Rulers all getting reparations from the White Farmers over there. RiP

very often, after machete thugs confiscated the land, it was discovered that the Farmer still had a large mortgage on the property.

So, imagine you borrow a ton of money to buy a house in, say, Purley, and an armed gang decided to forcibly evict you from the premises......cos YOU are the Patriarchy, you are the Oppressor...having the temerity to go to work every morning.

Reparation and Atonement for the crimes of History : where do we start ? about 6,000 years ago the Yamnaya descended into Western Europe and killed all your male relatives....We are descended from the violent monsters....shall we now make a financial contribution to atone for their sins ? Sell off Stonehenge cos it was effectively robbed by the invaders ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (24 Aug 2023 10.26am)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Teddy Eagle 24 Aug 23 12.38pm
The total amount of money in the world is estimated to be about 40tn dollars so coming up with nearly X 3 that amount is going to be tricky. Doubtless those making the claim have come up with some sort of payment plan.
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24 Aug 23 12.38pm

The total amount of money in the world is estimated to be about 40tn dollars so coming up with nearly X 3 that amount is going to be tricky. Doubtless those making the claim have come up with some sort of payment plan.

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silvertop Portishead 24 Aug 23 1.28pm
Originally posted by silvertop That I should have to pay for the acts of those committed centuries before at a very different time is preposterous. And when it comes to who pays you cannot separate state from its constituent citizens. We live in a multi racial community where those who would have to pay may be descended from those wholly unconnected with the nation at the time of slavery or from slaves. Who do we pay? African Americans but only those of pure African heritage. Not those whose blood is mixed with the white slave masters. Good luck with that. Perhaps African nations from where the slaves were extracted. Nice little earner for largely undeserving people not the descendents of slaves. And a simplistic black victim white devil assessment given the origin of many of those transported. They were usually not Kunta Kinte off hunting a lion, as romantic as that image is, they were prisoners of tribal wars freely traded by the forefathers of the very purported recipients of the cash. And as others point out, why only Britain? The Spanish and Portuguese were knee deep and continued long after us. And why only slaves of the Atlantic slave trade? The Arabs carried on and still do it. And what of e.g. the Romans? Does the Italian government need to compensate pretty much all of Europe, North Africa, the Near and Middle East? If this is grandstanding to keep alive the horrors of this genocide I have no issue. The Jews quite rightly ram home the holocaust at every opportunity and the evidence of prominent deniers and those who genuinely have no idea it happened justifies it. Why not the descendents of the enslaved. However if this is a genuine attempt to extort money from wealthy nations then they need to get real. By way of PS the last point I wanted to make but forgot was a challenge to thus guy's claim. I want to see his working out. Estimated numbers of those effected is problematic but the easiest part of the arithmetic. It is the multiplier where the troubles really start.
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Portishead 24 Aug 23 1.28pm

Originally posted by silvertop

That I should have to pay for the acts of those committed centuries before at a very different time is preposterous.

And when it comes to who pays you cannot separate state from its constituent citizens. We live in a multi racial community where those who would have to pay may be descended from those wholly unconnected with the nation at the time of slavery or from slaves.

Who do we pay? African Americans but only those of pure African heritage. Not those whose blood is mixed with the white slave masters. Good luck with that.

Perhaps African nations from where the slaves were extracted. Nice little earner for largely undeserving people not the descendents of slaves. And a simplistic black victim white devil assessment given the origin of many of those transported. They were usually not Kunta Kinte off hunting a lion, as romantic as that image is, they were prisoners of tribal wars freely traded by the forefathers of the very purported recipients of the cash.

And as others point out, why only Britain? The Spanish and Portuguese were knee deep and continued long after us. And why only slaves of the Atlantic slave trade? The Arabs carried on and still do it. And what of e.g. the Romans? Does the Italian government need to compensate pretty much all of Europe, North Africa, the Near and Middle East?

If this is grandstanding to keep alive the horrors of this genocide I have no issue. The Jews quite rightly ram home the holocaust at every opportunity and the evidence of prominent deniers and those who genuinely have no idea it happened justifies it. Why not the descendents of the enslaved. However if this is a genuine attempt to extort money from wealthy nations then they need to get real.

By way of PS the last point I wanted to make but forgot was a challenge to thus guy's claim. I want to see his working out. Estimated numbers of those effected is problematic but the easiest part of the arithmetic. It is the multiplier where the troubles really start.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 24 Aug 23 2.59pm
so a wealthy & successful Polish-american must pay money to atone for white privilege & the slave trade ? even if his family have only been in the US for a few decades ? to pay for the descendants of Slaves who arrived into the US circa 400 years ago ? how about the UK today ? who has a nicer car & home ? a newly arrived immigrant from, say, Eastern Europe ? or a fella whose family have been here for quite a while ? Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 24 Aug 23 2.59pm

so a wealthy & successful Polish-american must pay money to atone for white privilege & the slave trade ?

even if his family have only been in the US for a few decades ? to pay for the descendants of Slaves who arrived into the US circa 400 years ago ?

how about the UK today ? who has a nicer car & home ? a newly arrived immigrant from, say, Eastern Europe ? or a fella whose family have been here for quite a while ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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YT Oxford 24 Aug 23 3.38pm
It's all bollocks. Just ignore it. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 24 Aug 23 3.38pm

It's all bollocks. Just ignore it.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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Teddy Eagle 24 Aug 23 4.30pm
Originally posted by YT It's all bollocks. Just ignore it. A political slogan to live your life by. You should copyright that YT.
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24 Aug 23 4.30pm

Originally posted by YT

It's all bollocks. Just ignore it.

A political slogan to live your life by. You should copyright that YT.

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Stirlingsays 24 Aug 23 5.44pm
People think that laws and rules protect them. They never have. It's the people who are in power having your back that protect you....because it's always been how the laws are interpreted, not what they say....What laws and rules are chosen to be implemented and what are ignored. Laws and rules can and will always be changed depending upon what power base holds power....Look at SA now for example. Language can be used to justify anything and everything. Words get created and reinforced, other words get omitted. If it isn't your guys in power, then just don't be surprised with what's coming down the pipe....Sure, this guy might not have the capital to harm you right now, but different power bases are rising and others are falling. Demographics is destiny and all those that went with the hype that you can mix and match everything and culture and materialism turns everyone into an individual just has been living a fantasy.....if they ever actually believed those luxury beliefs. Sure, there are excellent people from different groups who will have your back and you will have traitors within your own....but the general reality of tribalism is statistically a truism. People can run but ultimately they can't hide and this was settled fifty years ago. What I'd say is teach your youngsters to never forget what was taken from them and never forgive those that did it. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Aug 2023 5.55pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Aug 23 5.44pm

People think that laws and rules protect them.

They never have.

It's the people who are in power having your back that protect you....because it's always been how the laws are interpreted, not what they say....What laws and rules are chosen to be implemented and what are ignored. Laws and rules can and will always be changed depending upon what power base holds power....Look at SA now for example.

Language can be used to justify anything and everything. Words get created and reinforced, other words get omitted.

If it isn't your guys in power, then just don't be surprised with what's coming down the pipe....Sure, this guy might not have the capital to harm you right now, but different power bases are rising and others are falling.

Demographics is destiny and all those that went with the hype that you can mix and match everything and culture and materialism turns everyone into an individual just has been living a fantasy.....if they ever actually believed those luxury beliefs. Sure, there are excellent people from different groups who will have your back and you will have traitors within your own....but the general reality of tribalism is statistically a truism.

People can run but ultimately they can't hide and this was settled fifty years ago.

What I'd say is teach your youngsters to never forget what was taken from them and never forgive those that did it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Aug 2023 5.55pm)

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Stirlingsays 24 Aug 23 5.49pm
Originally posted by YT It's all bollocks. Just ignore it. Use to hear that about the trans stuff. No, it's a warning and it's coming my lad....I'm not seeing real power being taken from these neo and social liberals. You will get Starmer in power next year and while it might not happen on his watch this is the direction of travel. It's all about the history of the past being rewritten and that's all about power transference.....which is a subset of demographic change. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Aug 2023 5.57pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Aug 23 5.49pm

Originally posted by YT

It's all bollocks. Just ignore it.

Use to hear that about the trans stuff.

No, it's a warning and it's coming my lad....I'm not seeing real power being taken from these neo and social liberals.

You will get Starmer in power next year and while it might not happen on his watch this is the direction of travel.

It's all about the history of the past being rewritten and that's all about power transference.....which is a subset of demographic change.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Aug 2023 5.57pm)

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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 24 Aug 23 6.48pm
Originally posted by beak [Link] Hmmm…so the person who buys a slave has to pay reparations whilst the seller pays nothing. So in todays world those that buy cocaine pay a fine whilst the drug dealer is free to carry out his trade. Hasn’t the Commonwealth been carrying out reparations in its work; it’s just not been labelled as divisive reparations. Does the UK claim reparations for the death of all the sailors who were engaged in intercepting slave cargo ships to stop the trade? It’s all part of destabilising tactics where common sense is seen as a crime and the idiotic is the new normal…think gender identity, men fleeing France to get here, climate change religion etc. hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.
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Originally posted by beak

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Hmmm…so the person who buys a slave has to pay reparations whilst the seller pays nothing. So in todays world those that buy cocaine pay a fine whilst the drug dealer is free to carry out his trade.
Hasn’t the Commonwealth been carrying out reparations in its work; it’s just not been labelled as divisive reparations.
Does the UK claim reparations for the death of all the sailors who were engaged in intercepting slave cargo ships to stop the trade?

It’s all part of destabilising tactics where common sense is seen as a crime and the idiotic is the new normal…think gender identity, men fleeing France to get here, climate change religion etc.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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