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cryrst The garden of England 04 Aug 23 6.44pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
If you think only those dying of starvation can be considered in poverty, there is 0 value in discussing it any further. Go on then tell me what defines ‘real’ poverty in the UK !
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PalazioVecchio south pole 04 Aug 23 10.36pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
... only those dying of starvation can be considered in poverty....... Poverty is often correlated with Obesity. Both in Croydon and the Third World. Pay a visit to a Favela in Latin America if you do not believe me.
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Aug 23 3.39pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
If you think only those dying of starvation can be considered in poverty, there is 0 value in discussing it any further. There is an obvious link between street violence and immigration. There has always been going way back. Look at the statistical curves of both, and they will closely match. Poverty has little to do with it. It is only a factor because many immigrants occupy the lower end of society. Before you bother to respond with your usual blinkered leftist crap, please don't bother.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 06 Aug 23 7.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There is an obvious link between street violence and immigration. There has always been going way back. Look at the statistical curves of both, and they will closely match. Poverty has little to do with it. It is only a factor because many immigrants occupy the lower end of society. The violence is very little to do with Poverty. And a lot to do with Gender. The American Wild West society was very male, and very violent. Both Viking & Yamnaya invasions were predominantly single unattached young men. Very violent. Some societies are very poor yet rather lacking in violence...eg the Tasaday. Juvenile delinquency starts with 'Family Life'.....what lessons need to be re-learned about the kids thrashing our Department Stores ?
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Aug 23 10.02pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
The violence is very little to do with Poverty. And a lot to do with Gender. The American Wild West society was very male, and very violent. Both Viking & Yamnaya invasions were predominantly single unattached young men. Very violent. Some societies are very poor yet rather lacking in violence...eg the Tasaday. Juvenile delinquency starts with 'Family Life'.....what lessons need to be re-learned about the kids thrashing our Department Stores ? Humans are violent. Violence has always existed everywhere. The issue here is the vast increase of violence in Britain in recent times. Culture is the problem. We have imported violent lawless culture and then wondered why everything is going downhill.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 06 Aug 23 11.42pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
The more people you push into poverty, the more desperate people you are going to have. Factor in the cuts to policing and this is just an obvious consequence. Tower Hamlets recently released a report stating the most commonly shoplifted item in the borough is Calpol, which I think says it all. People haven’t just suddenly decided they fancy a bit of excitement in their life - desperation pushes people into corners. There are other factors than these, but the above are pretty big ones.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 06 Aug 23 11.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Humans are violent. Violence has always existed everywhere. The issue here is the vast increase of violence in Britain in recent times. Culture is the problem. We have imported violent lawless culture and then wondered why everything is going downhill. The parrot appears to be flying blind tonight I’d wager that the percentage of low income, no income and impoverished amongst the total immigrant population is significant. It would also be interesting to compare that percentage proportionally against the white British population as a whole, and then compare crime rates. Recent stats and/or comparison like this must exist, if someone can pull them up with citations I’ll either double down on my position (most likely outcome) or revise my view accordingly Culture will factor in some cases along with many other contributors but to state it’s the only one is obviously wrong and also requires proof, not ideological ramblings. Although I expect nothing less.
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Stirlingsays 07 Aug 23 12.56am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
The parrot appears to be flying blind tonight I’d wager that the percentage of low income, no income and impoverished amongst the total immigrant population is significant. It would also be interesting to compare that percentage proportionally against the white British population as a whole, and then compare crime rates. Recent stats and/or comparison like this must exist, if someone can pull them up with citations I’ll either double down on my position (most likely outcome) or revise my view accordingly Culture will factor in some cases along with many other contributors but to state it’s the only one is obviously wrong and also requires proof, not ideological ramblings. Although I expect nothing less. Oh boy....I think you have a rabbit hole of wonderous delights to travel down. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Aug 2023 12.56am)
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Aug 23 8.20am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
The parrot appears to be flying blind tonight I’d wager that the percentage of low income, no income and impoverished amongst the total immigrant population is significant. It would also be interesting to compare that percentage proportionally against the white British population as a whole, and then compare crime rates. Recent stats and/or comparison like this must exist, if someone can pull them up with citations I’ll either double down on my position (most likely outcome) or revise my view accordingly Culture will factor in some cases along with many other contributors but to state it’s the only one is obviously wrong and also requires proof, not ideological ramblings. Although I expect nothing less. I've already said as much. What difference does that make to the rest of us? Poverty is a poor excuse for violent behaviour and As a socialist, I'm sure you think that everyone should be equal in terms of wealth, and that is simply impossible.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 07 Aug 23 10.37am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Humans are violent. Violence has always existed everywhere. The issue here is the vast increase of violence in recent times. Culture is the problem. We have imported violent lawless culture and then wondered why everything is going downhill. what you wrote above could have come from the mouth of an Apache/Sioux or Cherokee Indian in 1700. Rather than victims, the Brits were often the perpetrators. For certain, very violent countries have many violent people. Afghanistan or Jamaica. And the statistics bear this out. The question that few seem to ask is this : ''where will all this take us in a decade or two?' - London like Detroit, Kingston Jamaica, Johannesburg, or Baltimore, Maryland ? for certain, the genie has been let out of the Lamp, Pandoras box has been opened. 1980's London is never coming back.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Aug 23 7.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I've already said as much. What difference does that make to the rest of us? Poverty is a poor excuse for violent behaviour and As a socialist, I'm sure you think that everyone should be equal in terms of wealth, and that is simply impossible. It might be a poor excuse but the stats are the stats. The poorer you are the more desperate you get, and the more likely you are to turn to crime to survive. White, black, Jamaican, Chinese... doesn't matter. Feel free to demonstrate that this isn't the case and that it's only immigrants that are violent, regardless of poverty or circumstance. I don't deny that for some countries culture can be a contributing factor, what I do challenge is that it's the only factor, because it's clearly not. 'As a socialist' LOLE No. Equality for everything and for all is impossible, and also not desirable. However there are plenty of important basics where some level of equality and provision far higher than what exists currently would have a significant positive effect.
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Stirlingsays 07 Aug 23 8.37pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
It might be a poor excuse but the stats are the stats. The poorer you are the more desperate you get, and the more likely you are to turn to crime to survive. White, black, Jamaican, Chinese... doesn't matter. Feel free to demonstrate that this isn't the case and that it's only immigrants that are violent, regardless of poverty or circumstance. It's true that factors that affect all humans see similar responses....correlations between crime and IQ and so on, just as it is on income.
The much promoted idea that it's only culture and has no genetic component (at the group level you understand not the individual) can be found in the reality that the same much higher crime and other types of correlations are found within widely different cultural subsets. For example, Certain groups in America will have much higher crime outcomes than other groups and that will still be the case in South Africa to Brixton. If you look at crime amongst poor whites it's always lower outside of the main east Asian group and always has been lower compared to other groups....it's not just cultural....and I venture the idea that culture has always been influenced by the genetic anyway. In other words, saying something is cultural loses its power when the outcomes are still basically the same when looking at many different cultures. Unfortunately for the left...the honest among them that is....the blank slate was wrong.....and it's caused more damage to societies than anything the racists could have dreamed of.....the road to hell is nearly always paved by good intentions.
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