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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jul 23 10.00am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly A good perspective Matov. I have relatives who were RAF flightcrew in the 1960s and 1970's. There are a few accounts in their flight log books about UFO/UAP encounters. Either on radar, or visual. These might be explained by the cold war activities between East and West. The crew statements are purely factual, an give no interpretation. "unidentified aircraft spotted at,....moving at a speed estimated to be up to Mach5." and that type of thing Having an interest in space, I find it difficult to believe that UAPs would come from another planet and not be spotted/detected before they even got within a million miles of earth. So although UAP's are a definite phenomenon, they are almost certainly of human origin. Just my opinion. And I thoroughly enjoyed watching Close Encounters of the Third Kind last week Edited by Forest Hillbilly (27 Jul 2023 9.28am) How do you know they aren't? NASA has been accused of covering up sightings. Of course, this all assumes that we can actually detect these alleged spacecraft that could be hundreds, thousands or even millions of years ahead of our technology. We don't even know they are aliens. They could be from the future. All possibilities exist until we know otherwise.
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

A good perspective Matov. I have relatives who were RAF flightcrew in the 1960s and 1970's. There are a few accounts in their flight log books about UFO/UAP encounters. Either on radar, or visual.
These might be explained by the cold war activities between East and West. The crew statements are purely factual, an give no interpretation. "unidentified aircraft spotted at,....moving at a speed estimated to be up to Mach5." and that type of thing

Having an interest in space, I find it difficult to believe that UAPs would come from another planet and not be spotted/detected before they even got within a million miles of earth.

So although UAP's are a definite phenomenon, they are almost certainly of human origin. Just my opinion.

And I thoroughly enjoyed watching Close Encounters of the Third Kind last week

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (27 Jul 2023 9.28am)

How do you know they aren't?

NASA has been accused of covering up sightings.

Of course, this all assumes that we can actually detect these alleged spacecraft that could be hundreds, thousands or even millions of years ahead of our technology. We don't even know they are aliens. They could be from the future.

All possibilities exist until we know otherwise.

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Matov 27 Jul 23 11.06am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger How do you know they aren't? NASA has been accused of covering up sightings. Of course, this all assumes that we can actually detect these alleged spacecraft that could be hundreds, thousands or even millions of years ahead of our technology. We don't even know they are aliens. They could be from the future. All possibilities exist until we know otherwise. I have always considered myself to be a 'nuts and bolts' Ufologist in terms of wanting to see the phyiscal evidence and the radar returns but over the last decade or so, have had to start considering that there may well be an inter-dimensional element to all of this as well. And interestingly, this was touched upon yesterday. Try as I may, the heavy physics around such theoretical notions of worm-holes are way beyond the capabilities of my weary old crust but even just grasping the basic idea of it being possible to 'bend' time/space means that our conventional notions of having to travel from A to B in a straight, linear line, might be utterly redundant when it comes to what is happening. With the ramifications of that, beyond mind-blowing. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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27 Jul 23 11.06am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How do you know they aren't?

NASA has been accused of covering up sightings.

All possibilities exist until we know otherwise.

I have always considered myself to be a 'nuts and bolts' Ufologist in terms of wanting to see the phyiscal evidence and the radar returns but over the last decade or so, have had to start considering that there may well be an inter-dimensional element to all of this as well. And interestingly, this was touched upon yesterday.

Try as I may, the heavy physics around such theoretical notions of worm-holes are way beyond the capabilities of my weary old crust but even just grasping the basic idea of it being possible to 'bend' time/space means that our conventional notions of having to travel from A to B in a straight, linear line, might be utterly redundant when it comes to what is happening.

With the ramifications of that, beyond mind-blowing.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jul 23 11.16am
Originally posted by Matov I have always considered myself to be a 'nuts and bolts' Ufologist in terms of wanting to see the phyiscal evidence and the radar returns but over the last decade or so, have had to start considering that there may well be an inter-dimensional element to all of this as well. And interestingly, this was touched upon yesterday. Try as I may, the heavy physics around such theoretical notions of worm-holes are way beyond the capabilities of my weary old crust but even just grasping the basic idea of it being possible to 'bend' time/space means that our conventional notions of having to travel from A to B in a straight, linear line, might be utterly redundant when it comes to what is happening. With the ramifications of that, beyond mind-blowing. Well yes, and that is kind of the point. We could be dealing with technological beings that are as we are to chimpanzees or even lesser animals. Being more evolved in the biological sense might not even be necessary. Perhaps any race with similar capabilities just needs time to develop advanced technology, and it might be that sudden leaps are possible given significant discoveries. Look how far we have come in 100 years. Some say we have done that with the help with alien technology, but what ever the case, given enough time, things that we can only guess at could be possible if the laws of physics allow.
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27 Jul 23 11.16am

Originally posted by Matov

With the ramifications of that, beyond mind-blowing.

Well yes, and that is kind of the point.

We could be dealing with technological beings that are as we are to chimpanzees or even lesser animals.

Being more evolved in the biological sense might not even be necessary. Perhaps any race with similar capabilities just needs time to develop advanced technology, and it might be that sudden leaps are possible given significant discoveries. Look how far we have come in 100 years.
Some say we have done that with the help with alien technology, but what ever the case, given enough time, things that we can only guess at could be possible if the laws of physics allow.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Jul 23 11.27am
As somebody massively ignorant and nowhere near possessing the intellectual capability of grasping the science behind all of this, I must say I do find it intriguing however possibly like many others there is a point where I do just drop off in understanding what is being discussed, proposed etc. and lose interest. On hopefully a more digestible note, and to ask those with more interest/understanding of all this, isn't it fair to assume that if 'alien' technology were in the hands of human beings that could completely alter any global power dynamic? I was under the again ignorant impression that one narrative had been built around government 'x' holding such information but not wanting government 'y' to get their hands on it? That's the extent of my contribution but a genuine question as were rabbit holes to be further explored it could explain or justify the alleged secrecy around such things. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Jul 23 11.27am

As somebody massively ignorant and nowhere near possessing the intellectual capability of grasping the science behind all of this, I must say I do find it intriguing however possibly like many others there is a point where I do just drop off in understanding what is being discussed, proposed etc. and lose interest.

On hopefully a more digestible note, and to ask those with more interest/understanding of all this, isn't it fair to assume that if 'alien' technology were in the hands of human beings that could completely alter any global power dynamic? I was under the again ignorant impression that one narrative had been built around government 'x' holding such information but not wanting government 'y' to get their hands on it? That's the extent of my contribution but a genuine question as were rabbit holes to be further explored it could explain or justify the alleged secrecy around such things.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Eaglehamster Storrington 27 Jul 23 11.32am
For any aliens to physically visit us would necessitate technology far in advance of that of us Earthlings. I see a film here: Highly intelligent and technically advanced visit a planet and find it perfect for life. Perfect distance from a stable star, a moon big enough to cause tides and weather systems. And lots of water. OK a bit volcanic in places but the big negative is the top species. It's a parasite and harmful to every ecosystem it encounters. It's also warlike and incapable of living together peacefully. It has created good art and music but this is peanuts compared to the damage the species inflicts on its environment. You know what they'd do, it's a no-brainer. They spread a virus designed to sterilise every human on earth. Then wait and keep an eye on potential disasters - nuclear power plants etc. New species colonises a galactic paradice. Happy ending. I do not want Tom Cruise in this film. Edited by Eaglehamster (27 Jul 2023 11.34am) I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.
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Storrington 27 Jul 23 11.32am

For any aliens to physically visit us would necessitate technology far in advance of that of us Earthlings.

I see a film here: Highly intelligent and technically advanced visit a planet and find it perfect for life.

Perfect distance from a stable star, a moon big enough to cause tides and weather systems. And lots of water.

OK a bit volcanic in places but the big negative is the top species. It's a parasite and harmful to every ecosystem it encounters. It's also warlike and incapable of living together peacefully. It has created good art and music but this is peanuts compared to the damage the species inflicts on its environment.

You know what they'd do, it's a no-brainer.
They spread a virus designed to sterilise every human on earth.
Then wait and keep an eye on potential disasters - nuclear power plants etc.

New species colonises a galactic paradice. Happy ending.

I do not want Tom Cruise in this film.

Edited by Eaglehamster (27 Jul 2023 11.34am)

I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Jul 23 11.34am
Originally posted by Nicholas91 As somebody massively ignorant and nowhere near possessing the intellectual capability of grasping the science behind all of this, I must say I do find it intriguing however possibly like many others there is a point where I do just drop off in understanding what is being discussed, proposed etc. and lose interest. On hopefully a more digestible note, and to ask those with more interest/understanding of all this, isn't it fair to assume that if 'alien' technology were in the hands of human beings that could completely alter any global power dynamic? I was under the again ignorant impression that one narrative had been built around government 'x' holding such information but not wanting government 'y' to get their hands on it? That's the extent of my contribution but a genuine question as were rabbit holes to be further explored it could explain or justify the alleged secrecy around such things. Look up Project Aurora for the kind of things the US allegedly has. You might even see it in the sky, or hear it, around 2 in the morning or so. Certainly Scottish and Irish sightings. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Jul 23 11.34am

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Look up Project Aurora for the kind of things the US allegedly has. You might even see it in the sky, or hear it, around 2 in the morning or so. Certainly Scottish and Irish sightings.

Red and Blue Army!

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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 27 Jul 23 11.36am
Originally posted by Badger11 Sorry don't have time to watch that. I did see a documentary where the reporter investigated the careers of various well know UFO "researchers" rather then if UFO's exist. He came to the conclusion that these people were making a lot of money so people should bear that in mind when they see the "evidence", these people are not impartial, they maybe telling the truth but their careers depend on keeping the story going. Why not, its only the length of a short film, i think that you cant be bothered. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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Lanzarote 27 Jul 23 11.36am

Originally posted by Badger11

Sorry don't have time to watch that.

I did see a documentary where the reporter investigated the careers of various well know UFO "researchers" rather then if UFO's exist.

He came to the conclusion that these people were making a lot of money so people should bear that in mind when they see the "evidence", these people are not impartial, they maybe telling the truth but their careers depend on keeping the story going.

Why not, its only the length of a short film, i think that you cant be bothered.

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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Matov 27 Jul 23 11.44am
Originally posted by Eaglehamster For any aliens to physically visit us would necessitate technology far in advance of that of us Earthlings. I see a film here: Highly intelligent and technically advanced visit a planet and find it perfect for life. Perfect distance from a stable star, a moon big enough to cause tides and weather systems. And lots of water. OK a bit volcanic in places but the big negative is the top species. It's a parasite and harmful to every ecosystem it encounters. It's also warlike and incapable of living together peacefully. It has created good art and music but this is peanuts compared to the damage the species inflicts on its environment. You know what they'd do, it's a no-brainer. They spread a virus designed to sterilise every human on earth. Then wait and keep an eye on potential disasters - nuclear power plants etc. New species colonises a galactic paradice. Happy ending. I do not want Tom Cruise in this film. Edited by Eaglehamster (27 Jul 2023 11.34am) LOL. This made me smile. Given the sheer magnitude of the Universe, and again the maths cause my ears to bleed, if they have the ability to visit us, they have the ability to visit anywhere. Meaning that can settle where they want. You want a way out there theory? Simulation theory. And these little green b******s are the ones moving the mouse around on the 3 D computer screen that is our particularly sordid little game! "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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27 Jul 23 11.44am

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

For any aliens to physically visit us would necessitate technology far in advance of that of us Earthlings.

I see a film here: Highly intelligent and technically advanced visit a planet and find it perfect for life.

Perfect distance from a stable star, a moon big enough to cause tides and weather systems. And lots of water.

You know what they'd do, it's a no-brainer.
They spread a virus designed to sterilise every human on earth.
Then wait and keep an eye on potential disasters - nuclear power plants etc.

New species colonises a galactic paradice. Happy ending.

I do not want Tom Cruise in this film.

Edited by Eaglehamster (27 Jul 2023 11.34am)

LOL. This made me smile. Given the sheer magnitude of the Universe, and again the maths cause my ears to bleed, if they have the ability to visit us, they have the ability to visit anywhere. Meaning that can settle where they want.

You want a way out there theory? Simulation theory. And these little green b******s are the ones moving the mouse around on the 3 D computer screen that is our particularly sordid little game!

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Jul 23 11.55am
Originally posted by Matov LOL. This made me smile. Given the sheer magnitude of the Universe, and again the maths cause my ears to bleed, if they have the ability to visit us, they have the ability to visit anywhere. Meaning that can settle where they want. You want a way out there theory? Simulation theory. And these little green b**s are the ones moving the mouse around on the 3 D computer screen that is our particularly sordid little game! In order to believe that one would have to believe that Peter Taylor became our manager and played the football he did to amuse some entity, somewhere. I can't quite justify that as possible. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Jul 23 11.55am

Originally posted by Matov

You want a way out there theory? Simulation theory. And these little green b******s are the ones moving the mouse around on the 3 D computer screen that is our particularly sordid little game!

In order to believe that one would have to believe that Peter Taylor became our manager and played the football he did to amuse some entity, somewhere. I can't quite justify that as possible.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Matov 27 Jul 23 12.03pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 In order to believe that one would have to believe that Peter Taylor became our manager and played the football he did to amuse some entity, somewhere. I can't quite justify that as possible. A valid point. However, there is a pattern. A hero emerges, hailed as a savior only for all to go horribly wrong. An algorithm as old as mankind, and especially in football. Peter Taylor coming to Selhurst and then leading us to glory, now that would have been something out of the ordinary. Deep down we all knew. Just as we will when Zaha comes back in a similar role. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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27 Jul 23 12.03pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

In order to believe that one would have to believe that Peter Taylor became our manager and played the football he did to amuse some entity, somewhere. I can't quite justify that as possible.

A valid point. However, there is a pattern. A hero emerges, hailed as a savior only for all to go horribly wrong. An algorithm as old as mankind, and especially in football.

Peter Taylor coming to Selhurst and then leading us to glory, now that would have been something out of the ordinary. Deep down we all knew. Just as we will when Zaha comes back in a similar role.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 27 Jul 23 12.03pm
Just more bloomin' immigrants = intergalactic immigrants this time. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Just more bloomin' immigrants = intergalactic immigrants this time.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Jul 23 12.17pm
Originally posted by Matov A valid point. However, there is a pattern. A hero emerges, hailed as a savior only for all to go horribly wrong. An algorithm as old as mankind, and especially in football. Peter Taylor coming to Selhurst and then leading us to glory, now that would have been something out of the ordinary. Deep down we all knew. Just as we will when Zaha comes back in a similar role. Upon further thought it might have been somewhat amusing to spectate me losing my sh!t from time to time or staring bewildered from the Lower Holmesdale, trying to figure out exactly what purpose Mark Kennedy and Stuart Green served on a football pitch. Bit harsh perhaps but that's my memory of it all! Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Jul 23 12.17pm

Originally posted by Matov

A valid point. However, there is a pattern. A hero emerges, hailed as a savior only for all to go horribly wrong. An algorithm as old as mankind, and especially in football.

Peter Taylor coming to Selhurst and then leading us to glory, now that would have been something out of the ordinary. Deep down we all knew. Just as we will when Zaha comes back in a similar role.

Upon further thought it might have been somewhat amusing to spectate me losing my sh!t from time to time or staring bewildered from the Lower Holmesdale, trying to figure out exactly what purpose Mark Kennedy and Stuart Green served on a football pitch. Bit harsh perhaps but that's my memory of it all!

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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