Those in the wealth and super rich class who have money and always an interest in the political.

You could look at what proportions that falls down within but I couldn't possibly comment.

Essentially anyone who works against your interests isn't your friend regardless of who it is.....elites with money will fund the politicians, fund the lobby groups, think tanks and NGOs which influence and create the society they want....that 'open society'.

It's always been that way for centuries now...the difference being that now it's done by enemies who lie to you.

Now why would some want an 'open society'....It all flows back to WW2. Until the boomer super rich with money are pushing up daises we will suffer these attacks on normative society....well it'll lessen a bit but essentially it's about who has the money.

Money is the root of all evil......Certainly, in this case it is.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

ah yes but we are all suffering from The Patriarchy. Straight White Men are baddies and to be hated and ridiculed at all opportunities.

and a teenage white boy in a Haringay school, with, say, dyslexia.....well then he must be an oppressor ?

Ethical Advertising ?

is the advert below racist against Black Women ? i know a few Black women whose blood would boil from such propaganda......

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the clip below, gives a voice to such black women.....

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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

The language used as part of this ideology always interests me – words like 'normal'

What's 'normal' is that within the UK the 'traditional nuclear family' as you put it clearly makes up the largest percentage of all families. It's also normal that a minority of other families differ either by design or by circumstance. But those percentages are very likely to be marginal at best. It's also important to note that's not exactly a new thing. The change is acceptance that not everyone can or, frankly, should face derision, marginalisation and distain by not conforming to the expected 'normal' stereotype.

Says it all

It's like you're suggesting gay, unmarried or single parent families are firstly, sub-optimal and not normal. Something to be derided and looked down on, discouraged. There is a rich seam of irony there considering a lot of your positions.

Secondly – as though they're (laughably) a recent thing. Only been around for a decade or two apparently. Before that every family was the perfect cookie cutter embodiment of a 50's American style domestic propaganda poster. Dad on the BBQ, mum playing with the 2.4 kids on the lawn.

Bizarre

Also I find the mention of brainwashing as though it's a new thing, only started to happen recently you know, very amusing. There is nothing new at play here, 'brainwashing' or at its simplest coercion of a population or electorate by politicians, corporate organisations, kings, leaders, religions... whatever. Been around for millennia, both overt and subtle.

Nation state – sure, because globalisation/tech. It's the next logical step, that horse has bolted. It's up to us collectively to make that work, and if anyone thought that would be a painless process then they're an idiot. Change. What a b******

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Just like it always has been. Different content, same game. There's nothing new about the method here, which bizarrely seems to be the general theme of this thread

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

That this is the case is not contested.

However, I would differ with what seems to be this rather egalitarian idea that there are not 'sub optimal' lifestyles and hence criticism of them should be off limits.

As for a horse that's bolted....I'd contest that too..What is done can also be undone it's also true that lassos exist and horses can be caught.

It all depends upon the will of those that hold power. Is a dramatic change likely? There are different scenarios but at the moment without dramatic black swan events social and neo liberalism is winning...despite the social statistics worsening....media and educational control, plus bread and circuses work, as the soviets knew and the Chinese know.

What I would agree with though is that past times cannot be recreated. However, there are universal truths concerning the human condition as we are still the same biology that has existed for hundreds of thousands of years....and what was true before is still true now.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

broadly speaking correct. But there are constant tweaks to our DNA. Italy probably has better tolerance to Wheat & gluten because of the Roman Empire.

the forces of Evolution are constantly changing us. I would expect a creche full of kids at Silicon Valley to all have a natural aptitude for logic & programming. And an adaptation to Altitude in Nepal.

'the same biology....' The Human Race tends toward monogamy... From History & sociology.

Ethical Advertising....... or the Dark Arts of subversive Elites ? Woke Advertising is masquerading as being caring & sharing.....while being anything but.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford