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orpingtoneagle Orpington 16 Jul 23 5.32pm | |
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This is an interesting one. One view os that if someone works hard(or indeed works themselves into an early grave,) why should they not be able to pass that onto their family who have no doubt supported their endeavour. I get that. Also the way house prices have risen I suspect more and more might find themselves in scope. But that is different from the super wealthy or those who live on inherited wealth who have done nothing themselves to make their money and who have probably paid no tax or little tax on the way. No one likes to pay tax and a tax paid when a loved one dies will never be popular Edited by orpingtoneagle (16 Jul 2023 6.25pm)
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JRW2 Dulwich 16 Jul 23 5.34pm | |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
In the event of my demise, my family would be subject to IHT, so you would think I would be in favour of abolishing it, which I am not Let's have a second go at what I was going to say, which is: I admire your altruism, but I can't emulate it. I'm very old and I've spent the last few years doing everything (legal) that I can to protect my children's inheritance. If the tax goes, a weight will be lifted off me.
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cryrst The garden of England 16 Jul 23 6.30pm | |
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Originally posted by YT
Do they have a pen on a chain? Granted to me it’s out there but my last account I opened was over 20 years ago and had to wait for the card in the post. This is probably normal now I guess by this reply. Ah well I learned something
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cryrst The garden of England 16 Jul 23 7.04pm | |
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Originally posted by JRW2
Let's have a second go at what I was going to say, which is: I admire your altruism, but I can't emulate it. I'm very old and I've spent the last few years doing everything (legal) that I can to protect my children's inheritance. If the tax goes, a weight will be lifted off me. Surely your prime concern should be you and your kids concern should be you. Maybe sell up and don’t have property. Rent a property and that way you can give the kids and grandkids etc theirs now and put the equivalent of 40% of the total away and watch them enjoy it. Anything left in the savings 40% if you survive longer than seven years is free and no tax paid at all. Even if you do pop the tax rate paid drops pro rata.
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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jul 23 8.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I suspect like most people I hate IHT and abolishing it would be popular. However right here and now I don't think this is the best use of a tax cut. I would prefer either a cut in basic rate tax or better still an increase in the tax allowance for low paid or a cut in VAT. Inheritance tax is a disgrace and should end as soon as possible. It cost me a small fortune a few years back. Paying tax on assets that have already been taxed is just plain wrong. It also limits the ability to increase prosperity from one generation to another, which means that less well off families stay that way. Shameful.
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becky over the moon 16 Jul 23 8.38pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Surely your prime concern should be you and your kids concern should be you. Maybe sell up and don’t have property. Rent a property and that way you can give the kids and grandkids etc theirs now and put the equivalent of 40% of the total away and watch them enjoy it. Anything left in the savings 40% if you survive longer than seven years is free and no tax paid at all. Even if you do pop the tax rate paid drops pro rata. You can only gift £3,000 in any one year tax free - whether that is all to one person or split between several - £3000 is thew limit.
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cryrst The garden of England 16 Jul 23 8.50pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
You can only gift £3,000 in any one year tax free - whether that is all to one person or split between several - £3000 is thew limit. Yes but only if you grass yourself up.
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m/k mick milton keynes 16 Jul 23 8.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Inheritance tax is a disgrace and should end as soon as possible. It cost me a small fortune a few years back. Paying tax on assets that have already been taxed is just plain wrong. It also limits the ability to increase prosperity from one generation to another, which means that less well off families stay that way. Shameful. Can you explain how assets such as a home, where it’s value has risen many times over has already been taxed, secondly the other main asset left after death is pension fund, contributions which were tax free, savings held in ISAs which have grown from re investment, tax free, so where is this taxed twice ?.
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cryrst The garden of England 16 Jul 23 8.58pm | |
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So apparently you can give an unlimited amount if it’s from your ‘normal’ income and you can still survive. So sell the house. Buy a small business. Draw an income and give it away. Got to be loop holes. On here I have constantly seen it levelled at mps and the wealthy so it must be true.
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cryrst The garden of England 16 Jul 23 9.01pm | |
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How Inheritance Tax works: thresholds, rules and allowances Inheritance Tax may have to be paid after your death on some gifts you’ve given. Gifts given less than 7 years before you die may be taxed depending on: who you give the gift to and their relationship to you What counts as a gift money ​​Anything you leave in your will does not count as a gift but is part of your estate. Your estate is all your money, property and possessions left when you die. The value of your estate will be used to work out if Inheritance Tax needs to be paid. Who does not pay Inheritance Tax There’s no Inheritance Tax to pay on gifts between spouses or civil partners. You can give them as much as you like during your lifetime, as long as they: live in the UK permanently Using allowances to give tax free gifts Annual exemption You can give gifts or money up to £3,000 to one person or split the £3,000 between several people. You can carry any unused annual exemption forward to the next tax year - but only for one tax year. The tax year runs from 6 April to 5 April the following year. Example In the following 2022 to 2023 tax year, Mark gave £4,000 to his other daughter Sarah. If Mark died within 7 years of the gift, this would use his annual exemption of £3,000 plus the £1,000 of annual exemption left over from the previous tax year. Even if Mark dies within 7 years of giving these gifts, there’s no Inheritance Tax to pay. Birthday or Christmas gifts you give from your regular income are exempt from Inheritance Tax. Gifts for weddings or civil partnerships £5,000 to a child For example, you can give your child a wedding gift of £5,000 as well as £3,000 using your annual exemption in the same tax year. If you make regular payments you can afford the payments after meeting your usual living costs paying rent for your child For example, you can give your child a regular payment of £60 a month (a total of £720 a year) as well as using your annual exemption of £3,000 in the same tax year. The 7 year rule If you die within 7 years of giving a gift and there’s Inheritance Tax to pay on it, the amount of tax due after your death depends on when you gave it. Gifts given in the 3 years before your death are taxed at 40%. Gifts given 3 to 7 years before your death are taxed on a sliding scale known as ‘taper relief’. Taper relief only applies if the total value of gifts made in the 7 years before you die is over the £325,000 tax-free threshold. Taper relief Gifts with reservation include: giving your home to a relative but still living there Keeping records of gifts you’ve given what you gave and who you gave it to Example She gave 3 gifts in the 9 years before her death: £50,000 to her brother 9 years before her death There’s also no Inheritance Tax to pay on the £325,000 she gave her sister, as this is within the Inheritance Tax threshold. But her friend must pay Inheritance Tax on her £100,000 gift at a rate of 32%, as it’s above the tax-free threshold and was given 3 years before Sally died. The Inheritance Tax due is £32,000. Sally’s remaining estate was valued at £400,000, so the estate would pay Inheritance Tax of 40% on £400,000 (£160,000).
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Badger11 Beckenham 16 Jul 23 9.21pm | |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
Can you explain how assets such as a home, where it’s value has risen many times over has already been taxed, secondly the other main asset left after death is pension fund, contributions which were tax free, savings held in ISAs which have grown from re investment, tax free, so where is this taxed twice ?.
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m/k mick milton keynes 16 Jul 23 9.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I should have been clearer, it is not taxed, the point was about being taxed twice on assets or savings
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