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dreamwaverider London 25 May 23 6.59am | |
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We have a complex share and management structure that I’m not sure any outsider really understands.
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palace99 New Mills 30 May 23 12.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
It isn't quite that simple as the shareholders have to agree to issue new shares and some / all may not wish to see their shareholding diluted Surely it is pretty obvious that the existing shareholders (or a majority) need to agree to new external investment/investors. Does that really need spelling out? In terms of shareholder dilution, i think you miss the point as on day 1 the value of your shareholding is unchanged. If i had 25% of shares of a company valued at £400m and someone wanted to buy in and own 20% for £100m (i.e. via the issue of new shares and not buying them off existing shareholders) then my shareholding drops to 20% but the value of the company is now £500m (the initial £400m plus the £100m now in the bank). So my 20% is worth £100m.
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CpfcWeTrust1 30 May 23 1.21pm | |
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Just to add to everyone else's commentary on the diatribe(obviously pointed and misplaced at SP.) of input about the stand situation. Simon Jordan has mentioned a variety of times how much of complicated situation (to put it nicely) it is/was, to try and expand Selhurst. I would've thought it was also part of talks when the shareholders became shareholders. In the recent interview with G.Neville, Parish states he has a good relationship with the American duo and how fanatical they are about football. I doubt the pocket change (for them) is the stumbling block when it comes to expansion and adding to their investment.
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Midlands Eagle 30 May 23 2.47pm | |
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Originally posted by palace99
As Textor joined the board/became a shareholder 2 years ago by buying c20% of the club via the issue of new shares, this is less of an issue for Palace as this has already recently happened. If Textor wanted to put more money into the club, and let's face it the other owners seem unwilling to do so, they can replicate this process. According to The Guardian Textor's company now owns 40% of Palace whilst Parish's shareholding has been reduced to just 10% According to rumours Textor wants funds injected into Palace in proportion to their shareholdings and Parish is the problem as he doesn't have the wealth to fund his share to the level that it needs. Of course rumours are not always true
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Jun 23 6.11pm | |
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On the subject of reasons we won’t build new stand, have we just got permission to build new stand?
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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 27 Jun 23 6.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
On the subject of reasons we won’t build new stand, have we just got permission to build new stand? I thought the club had permission to build the stand and that it was going to start between the close and new league seasons? i.e. now?
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Daddyorc Atlantic Highlands, NJ 27 Jun 23 7.24pm | |
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The original post completely ignores that the Club actually generates revenue. Revenue is from a number of sources and expenses go to a number of sources. So, transfer fees can come from shareholders, selling players, other items (shirt sales, ticket sales, etc.) or from debt. The way the club has been largely run is to take out a modest amount of debt, sell some % of the existing ownership, and sell a few players. But, this has (in large part) been done responsibly, not by selling the entire ownership or by taking out massive debts. As for the stadium, people are correct here stating that it can't be built until all the required permissions and permits have been approved. The academy is basically brand new, as that was slightly less ambitious and probably easier to receive permits for. The stadium rebuild will almost certainly be largely paid for by debt, but hopefully will pay for itself over time with larger ticket sales, better high-end facilities, etc.
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 27 Jun 23 8.05pm | |
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I think the answer is simple, we dont have enough money
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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 27 Jun 23 8.51pm | |
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It's a lot of words, but I think it is interesting to consider whether the ownership structure and relative desire and ability from our investor base to put up risk capital (for loads of things) is problematic
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dreamwaverider London 27 Jun 23 9.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig
It's a lot of words, but I think it is interesting to consider whether the ownership structure and relative desire and ability from our investor base to put up risk capital (for loads of things) is problematic Mixture of desire and ability. Yes problematic. If not it would be done.
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palace99 New Mills 28 Jun 23 4.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Daddyorc
The original post completely ignores that the Club actually generates revenue. Revenue is from a number of sources and expenses go to a number of sources. So, transfer fees can come from shareholders, selling players, other items (shirt sales, ticket sales, etc.) or from debt. The way the club has been largely run is to take out a modest amount of debt, sell some % of the existing ownership, and sell a few players. But, this has (in large part) been done responsibly, not by selling the entire ownership or by taking out massive debts. As for the stadium, people are correct here stating that it can't be built until all the required permissions and permits have been approved. The academy is basically brand new, as that was slightly less ambitious and probably easier to receive permits for. The stadium rebuild will almost certainly be largely paid for by debt, but hopefully will pay for itself over time with larger ticket sales, better high-end facilities, etc. and that debt will be more expensive as the base rate keeps being increased. Whatever the original payback period was estimated at, i would potentially double it now
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monkey Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 28 Jun 23 5.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Currently, the stand build is due to commence in May 2024 according to The Athletic. I'm sure you must know that you cannot just spend money on transfers unless you make that money from football related revenue streams.
Some on here though just can’t get their heads around that, they think just because we’ve been in the premier league ten years we should be spending vast amounts of money to get us in the top ten or challenging for Europe.
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