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MrRobbo Chaldon 02 May 23 9.07am
I don't think we'll lose Olise this season. He's done well, but not well enough IMO to persuade the big boys to pay the 60/70m we should be demanding. If Wilf does go, I'd take his c.130k wage and spit it across EE, MO, CD, JA, MG. Demonstrate that they are important to us and try and tie them all in a bit longer.
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Chaldon 02 May 23 9.07am

I don't think we'll lose Olise this season.

He's done well, but not well enough IMO to persuade the big boys to pay the 60/70m we should be demanding.

If Wilf does go, I'd take his c.130k wage and spit it across EE, MO, CD, JA, MG. Demonstrate that they are important to us and try and tie them all in a bit longer.

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Stirlingsays 02 May 23 9.11am
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle I too have noticed him, one of the good things about the Palace TV option is you get a chance to see the U21 games & become more familiar with the players participating, however even on TV its clear that there is an enormous difference between whats going on the Copers Cope pitch in front of maybe 300 people & being in the first team in front of a packed Selhurst Park surrounded by better players on both sides working to much finer margins & considerable stakes vested in the outcome - its no wonder that so many first team coaches (if they have a choice) would rather see a club buy someone who is first team ready rather than risk untried academy product. The amount of money involved in first team success or failure at PL level significantly restricts clubs willingness to gamble on relative youngsters. Much of the time you can tell how close a Premiership club consider a youngster to their first team by the league standard of loan they give him. Saki for example, has had a very successful loan at league one level. It's likely that he will be tried at Championship grade before a final decision is made. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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02 May 23 9.11am

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

I too have noticed him, one of the good things about the Palace TV option is you get a chance to see the U21 games & become more familiar with the players participating, however even on TV its clear that there is an enormous difference between whats going on the Copers Cope pitch in front of maybe 300 people & being in the first team in front of a packed Selhurst Park surrounded by better players on both sides working to much finer margins & considerable stakes vested in the outcome - its no wonder that so many first team coaches (if they have a choice) would rather see a club buy someone who is first team ready rather than risk untried academy product.

The amount of money involved in first team success or failure at PL level significantly restricts clubs willingness to gamble on relative youngsters.

Much of the time you can tell how close a Premiership club consider a youngster to their first team by the league standard of loan they give him.

Saki for example, has had a very successful loan at league one level. It's likely that he will be tried at Championship grade before a final decision is made.

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Stirlingsays 02 May 23 9.13am
Originally posted by MrRobbo I don't think we'll lose Olise this season. He's done well, but not well enough IMO to persuade the big boys to pay the 60/70m we should be demanding. If Wilf does go, I'd take his c.130k wage and spit it across EE, MO, CD, JA, MG. Demonstrate that they are important to us and try and tie them all in a bit longer. I think his buy out clause is much lower than that. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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02 May 23 9.13am

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I don't think we'll lose Olise this season.

He's done well, but not well enough IMO to persuade the big boys to pay the 60/70m we should be demanding.

If Wilf does go, I'd take his c.130k wage and spit it across EE, MO, CD, JA, MG. Demonstrate that they are important to us and try and tie them all in a bit longer.

I think his buy out clause is much lower than that.

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MrRobbo Chaldon 02 May 23 9.30am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think his buy out clause is much lower than that. Reportedly removed
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Chaldon 02 May 23 9.30am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think his buy out clause is much lower than that.

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monkey Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 02 May 23 10.50am
Anyone remember Brendon Pierrick? It was only 3 years ago I see him come on as a sub up at Norwich and I thought, he looks lively and one for the future. Well I watch a few of my local non-league teams highlights on YouTube and I noticed he’s playing for Dover Athletic at the wrong end of the national league south. This is why I never get too involved in following our youth set up and wondering why more are not given a chance in the first team. Apart from the odd Gem as in Wilf, AWB and Mitchell most of our youngsters are just not good enough for premier league or even lower. Non-league is littered with our ex-youngsters who’s name I recognise and were supposed to be the next big thing off the production line Edited by monkey (02 May 2023 10.50am)
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Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 02 May 23 10.50am

Anyone remember Brendon Pierrick? It was only 3 years ago I see him come on as a sub up at Norwich and I thought, he looks lively and one for the future. Well I watch a few of my local non-league teams highlights on YouTube and I noticed he’s playing for Dover Athletic at the wrong end of the national league south.

This is why I never get too involved in following our youth set up and wondering why more are not given a chance in the first team. Apart from the odd Gem as in Wilf, AWB and Mitchell most of our youngsters are just not good enough for premier league or even lower. Non-league is littered with our ex-youngsters who’s name I recognise and were supposed to be the next big thing off the production line

Edited by monkey (02 May 2023 10.50am)

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esox lucius Deal 02 May 23 11.15am
Originally posted by monkey Anyone remember Brendon Pierrick? It was only 3 years ago I see him come on as a sub up at Norwich and I thought, he looks lively and one for the future. Well I watch a few of my local non-league teams highlights on YouTube and I noticed he’s playing for Dover Athletic at the wrong end of the national league south. This is why I never get too involved in following our youth set up and wondering why more are not given a chance in the first team. Apart from the odd Gem as in Wilf, AWB and Mitchell most of our youngsters are just not good enough for premier league or even lower. Non-league is littered with our ex-youngsters who’s name I recognise and were supposed to be the next big thing off the production line Edited by monkey (02 May 2023 10.50am) This is very true, too rise to the top is a one in a million. It’s also not just the ability to play football, as we all know attitude, injuries, dedication and a dozen other influences affect a young lad. JRS has had an outstanding season with Charlton, I would dearly love him to make the break through with Palace. I just hope he doesn’t think he’s made it because of 1 good season.
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Deal 02 May 23 11.15am

Originally posted by monkey

Edited by monkey (02 May 2023 10.50am)

This is very true, too rise to the top is a one in a million. It’s also not just the ability to play football, as we all know attitude, injuries, dedication and a dozen other influences affect a young lad.
JRS has had an outstanding season with Charlton, I would dearly love him to make the break through with Palace. I just hope he doesn’t think he’s made it because of 1 good season.

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palace99 New Mills 02 May 23 11.17am
Originally posted by doombear Much will depend on what happens re the players out of contract and who is brought in (if anyone) in the transfer window. I suspect Rak-Sakyi may well be sent out on loan to a Championship club and that both Wells-Morrison and Ozoh will be loaned out to League 1 or 2 clubs. There is then the question of those coming back from loans. -Phillips had a good half-season at Shrewsbury but rumours are about suggesting he wants to leave -Street may well be let go - I don't see him as PL material - O'Brien has been a mainstay in Belgium but what does that mean? - who knows? He may stay there if the club are promoted to Belgian top division - Ebiowei and Plange don't seem to have progressed. - Banks has had an injury-interrupted season so difficult to assess. Apart from his free kicks, I'm not convinced by him - Gordon will need more loans out to help his development. - Malachi Boateng has had a great season at Queens Park but we are talking only Scottish Championship - enough said IMHO only Adamarola is ready to step up and challenge Mitchell for the LB spot. He certainly offers more going forward. Edited by doombear (01 May 2023 11.53am) For me the 3 who could make the step up next season are Rak-Sakyi, Phillips and O'Brien. All 3 have had successful loans and there will be spaces in the squad (Philips for Macca and O'Brien for Tomkins, for example). R-S still looks raw, but has goals in him. I think having him on the bench as an impact sub would be ideal. The current bench looks very unexciting - about 4 centre mids and 2 strikers who rarely score! Ebiowei and Plange don't appear to have pushed on, which is a shame. Hopefully after a good pre season we can reassess - maybe another loan for each. Gordon, Ozoh and Wells-Morrison are developing well but are not ready for 1st team yet. We don't want to water down the U21s too much, but maybe 1 or 2 of the 3 could be loaned to Div 1 clubs. I had high hopes for Adamarola but he seems to have stalled a bit. Not even on the bench when Mitchell was suspended tells a story. A big season next year for the lad. If not deemed 2nd choice LB maybe a div 1 loan.
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New Mills 02 May 23 11.17am

Originally posted by doombear

Much will depend on what happens re the players out of contract and who is brought in (if anyone) in the transfer window.

I suspect Rak-Sakyi may well be sent out on loan to a Championship club and that both Wells-Morrison and Ozoh will be loaned out to League 1 or 2 clubs.

There is then the question of those coming back from loans.
-Phillips had a good half-season at Shrewsbury but rumours are about suggesting he wants to leave
-Street may well be let go - I don't see him as PL material
- O'Brien has been a mainstay in Belgium but what does that mean? - who knows? He may stay there if the club are promoted to Belgian top division
- Ebiowei and Plange don't seem to have progressed.
- Banks has had an injury-interrupted season so difficult to assess. Apart from his free kicks, I'm not convinced by him
- Gordon will need more loans out to help his development.
- Malachi Boateng has had a great season at Queens Park but we are talking only Scottish Championship - enough said

IMHO only Adamarola is ready to step up and challenge Mitchell for the LB spot. He certainly offers more going forward.

Edited by doombear (01 May 2023 11.53am)

For me the 3 who could make the step up next season are Rak-Sakyi, Phillips and O'Brien. All 3 have had successful loans and there will be spaces in the squad (Philips for Macca and O'Brien for Tomkins, for example).

R-S still looks raw, but has goals in him. I think having him on the bench as an impact sub would be ideal. The current bench looks very unexciting - about 4 centre mids and 2 strikers who rarely score!

Ebiowei and Plange don't appear to have pushed on, which is a shame. Hopefully after a good pre season we can reassess - maybe another loan for each.
Gordon, Ozoh and Wells-Morrison are developing well but are not ready for 1st team yet. We don't want to water down the U21s too much, but maybe 1 or 2 of the 3 could be loaned to Div 1 clubs.

I had high hopes for Adamarola but he seems to have stalled a bit. Not even on the bench when Mitchell was suspended tells a story.
A big season next year for the lad. If not deemed 2nd choice LB maybe a div 1 loan.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 May 23 11.18am
Originally posted by palace99 For me the 3 who could make the step up next season are Rak-Sakyi, Phillips and O'Brien. All 3 have had successful loans and there will be spaces in the squad (Philips for Macca and O'Brien for Tomkins, for example). R-S still looks raw, but has goals in him. I think having him on the bench as an impact sub would be ideal. The current bench looks very unexciting - about 4 centre mids and 2 strikers who rarely score! Ebiowei and Plange don't appear to have pushed on, which is a shame. Hopefully after a good pre season we can reassess - maybe another loan for each. Gordon, Ozoh and Wells-Morrison are developing well but are not ready for 1st team yet. We don't want to water down the U21s too much, but maybe 1 or 2 of the 3 could be loaned to Div 1 clubs. I had high hopes for Adamarola but he seems to have stalled a bit. Not even on the bench when Mitchell was suspended tells a story. A big season next year for the lad. If not deemed 2nd choice LB maybe a div 1 loan. Good summary and insightful, enjoyed reading that and reflected my (very limited) knowledge! Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 May 23 11.18am

Originally posted by palace99

Good summary and insightful, enjoyed reading that and reflected my (very limited) knowledge!

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Badger11 Beckenham 02 May 23 11.24am
Originally posted by palace99 For me the 3 who could make the step up next season are Rak-Sakyi, Phillips and O'Brien. All 3 have had successful loans and there will be spaces in the squad (Philips for Macca and O'Brien for Tomkins, for example). R-S still looks raw, but has goals in him. I think having him on the bench as an impact sub would be ideal. The current bench looks very unexciting - about 4 centre mids and 2 strikers who rarely score! Ebiowei and Plange don't appear to have pushed on, which is a shame. Hopefully after a good pre season we can reassess - maybe another loan for each. Gordon, Ozoh and Wells-Morrison are developing well but are not ready for 1st team yet. We don't want to water down the U21s too much, but maybe 1 or 2 of the 3 could be loaned to Div 1 clubs. I had high hopes for Adamarola but he seems to have stalled a bit. Not even on the bench when Mitchell was suspended tells a story. A big season next year for the lad. If not deemed 2nd choice LB maybe a div 1 loan. Just how good is the 2nd tier of Belgium football? The first isn't exactly great. O'Brien has done well but he needs game time in the Championship assuming that a club will take him on loan. As for Plange and Ebiowei neither have covered themselves in glory and need to pull their socks up. Back on loan for both of them and if they don't impress next season let them go. Adamarola is an odd one he had a disastrous spell at Coventry with rumours that the manager never wanted him anyway. That can be forgiven however back in our youth team he is only doing okay as far as I can see so no justification in promoting him. Edited by Badger11 (02 May 2023 11.26am) One more point
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Originally posted by palace99

For me the 3 who could make the step up next season are Rak-Sakyi, Phillips and O'Brien. All 3 have had successful loans and there will be spaces in the squad (Philips for Macca and O'Brien for Tomkins, for example).

Just how good is the 2nd tier of Belgium football? The first isn't exactly great.

O'Brien has done well but he needs game time in the Championship assuming that a club will take him on loan.

As for Plange and Ebiowei neither have covered themselves in glory and need to pull their socks up. Back on loan for both of them and if they don't impress next season let them go.

Adamarola is an odd one he had a disastrous spell at Coventry with rumours that the manager never wanted him anyway. That can be forgiven however back in our youth team he is only doing okay as far as I can see so no justification in promoting him.

Edited by Badger11 (02 May 2023 11.26am)

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taylors lovechild 02 May 23 11.26am
I think JRS will go on loan to the Champ as like others have said, he is unlikely to oust Olise. You don't hear of many players who failed at league one or Championship level but then made the grade at PL level. The best players tend to shine at every level. Killian Phillips and JRS are probably the most likely at the moment just because they've both had strong seasons at a professional level. I could see the former filling Luka's role as a back-up midfielder getting 15-20 minutes at the end of games. Then again, Ahamada was proving himself at a higher level in the Bundesliga and he's not getting a look in. Much will probably come down to two things: are the club going to invest in the squad and who is the manager going to be next season. If Wilf goes and we don't replace him JRS will probably have to come back out of necessity.
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I think JRS will go on loan to the Champ as like others have said, he is unlikely to oust Olise. You don't hear of many players who failed at league one or Championship level but then made the grade at PL level. The best players tend to shine at every level. Killian Phillips and JRS are probably the most likely at the moment just because they've both had strong seasons at a professional level. I could see the former filling Luka's role as a back-up midfielder getting 15-20 minutes at the end of games. Then again, Ahamada was proving himself at a higher level in the Bundesliga and he's not getting a look in.

Much will probably come down to two things: are the club going to invest in the squad and who is the manager going to be next season. If Wilf goes and we don't replace him JRS will probably have to come back out of necessity.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 02 May 23 12.19pm
Originally posted by taylors lovechild I think JRS will go on loan to the Champ as like others have said, he is unlikely to oust Olise. You don't hear of many players who failed at league one or Championship level but then made the grade at PL level. The best players tend to shine at every level. Killian Phillips and JRS are probably the most likely at the moment just because they've both had strong seasons at a professional level. I could see the former filling Luka's role as a back-up midfielder getting 15-20 minutes at the end of games. Then again, Ahamada was proving himself at a higher level in the Bundesliga and he's not getting a look in. Much will probably come down to two things: are the club going to invest in the squad and who is the manager going to be next season. If Wilf goes and we don't replace him JRS will probably have to come back out of necessity. Think back to Conor Gallagher. His first loan was Charlton before a successful stint at Swansea. The rest is history. Even Harry Kane started at somewhere like Leyton Orient. If the rumours are false and Phillips stays then the next step is to loan both him and Rak-Sakyi out to Championship clubs next season. They are better served getting game time in that league than sitting on the bench at SP and getting the odd 15-20 mins. As for Ahamada, he's very much one for next season. Coming in as he did in January into a squad that struggled for 3 months meant he was only going to get limited opportunities under Vieira. TBF Hodgson has been positive about him but made it quite clear that in a relegation fight you go for experience and that's what has happened. It will also be interesting to see which academy players get the push this summer.
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I think JRS will go on loan to the Champ as like others have said, he is unlikely to oust Olise. You don't hear of many players who failed at league one or Championship level but then made the grade at PL level. The best players tend to shine at every level. Killian Phillips and JRS are probably the most likely at the moment just because they've both had strong seasons at a professional level. I could see the former filling Luka's role as a back-up midfielder getting 15-20 minutes at the end of games. Then again, Ahamada was proving himself at a higher level in the Bundesliga and he's not getting a look in.

Think back to Conor Gallagher. His first loan was Charlton before a successful stint at Swansea. The rest is history. Even Harry Kane started at somewhere like Leyton Orient. If the rumours are false and Phillips stays then the next step is to loan both him and Rak-Sakyi out to Championship clubs next season. They are better served getting game time in that league than sitting on the bench at SP and getting the odd 15-20 mins.

As for Ahamada, he's very much one for next season. Coming in as he did in January into a squad that struggled for 3 months meant he was only going to get limited opportunities under Vieira. TBF Hodgson has been positive about him but made it quite clear that in a relegation fight you go for experience and that's what has happened.

It will also be interesting to see which academy players get the push this summer.

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Stirlingsays 02 May 23 3.12pm
Originally posted by MrRobbo Reportedly removed Is it true though, because that would be quite big news. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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02 May 23 3.12pm

Originally posted by MrRobbo

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Is it true though, because that would be quite big news.

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