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taylors lovechild 30 Apr 23 10.54am | |
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I think we have to be careful not to get too carried away. PV got exactly the same number of points from these games in the reverse fixtures (13pts) this season (albeit the performances were not as good in some of the games). We have for the last four or five years done fairly well against teams around us with a win ratio varying between the 50-66% mark. What we haven't and won't see during Roy's new tenure is games against tougher opposition (do Spurs count as tough?), or how he'll respond during the periods where we inevitably have a tougher run of results. I have every confidence Roy would keep us up I'm just not so confident over a whole season he'll bring out the best in the attacking players and may increasingly burden them with defensive rigidity and shape. I think he is the safe option, but personally I would hate to see us fail to make the most of the attacking talent we have. Weirdly, the performances Roy is delivering are not just highlighting PV was the wrong man for the job, but also that Roy is, if that makes sense. His post-match comments even in victory point towards a desire for a more pragmatic approach which could curtail the freedom that Olise and especially Eze seem to thrive on. Of course I'd love to be wrong and we carry on playing such a free-flowing and entertaining style under Roy next season, with Paddy taking over the mantle when he's ready. I just worry that we have the luxury to play the way we are now and that it won't last when games start to matter again. For now though I'm just going to enjoy the ride as we all know the good times never seem to last for long as a Palace fan.
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ambrose7 Croydon 30 Apr 23 11.14am | |
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
Although Roy does seem to being enjoying himself and looking nice and relaxed during what is ostensibly a brief interim fill-in role I am not so certain that he is the way forward for next season and it poses the questions: What about the season after that? Where's the planning for 3 years down the line and bringing through the best of the Academy? Does Roy want to retire someday? This is not to say Roy isn't adept at his role here, he certainly knows the club and how to work successfully within the parameters set out thus far: avoid relegation / mid table / small spend. I don't think it makes sense for PL clubs to do this with a manager as a key part of it any more. It's 50/50 whether any PL manager survives the season, which makes it 1/4 that they'd survive 2 seasons. The one way it makes sense to do that with a manager is the style they're able to play. The style Hodgson is employing is exactly the style that suits the squad - high press, bit of flair in attack, reasonably solid base. I can see how a 1 year contract could be tempting all round.
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PatrickA London 30 Apr 23 11.27am | |
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I started the thread not as an emotional response to a few good results, but based on an objective analysis of where we are.
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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 30 Apr 23 4.55pm | |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
It's not that long ago that Vieira was seen as the future. In an ideal world it would be great to have a 5 year plan, but the stakes are so high that the first priority has to be to avoid relegation on a year by year basis. It's difficult to look beyond Roy if only based on maintaining continuity and because the chemistry between the coaching team and the players is self evidently so strong. These are all valid observations Patrick and I too am beginning to see the merits of keeping the status quo. One of the most significant factors for me is the commercial, short term nature of PL performance. Managers are the cannon fodder, sacrificed if things are not going well so, to bang on about 5 year plans, whilst creditable in theory, seems irrelevant in a successful structure such as we currently have.
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VinceHilaire London 30 Apr 23 5.16pm | |
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The other issue is that whoever does come in, their performance will be compared to Roy and his team….which actually could add pressure to the management position. In all honesty, taking over from someone who has recently led the club to playing attractive, successful football could be quite daunting. So perhaps there is a lot of sense by adding a further year of stability to the club by not changing too much?!?!
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silvertop Portishead 30 Apr 23 6.45pm | |
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Sticking with Roy... Aug/Sept and Apr/May in the Premier are very different games. The poor teams are actually quite good and the newly promoted are tearing it up. This fantastic rush for the finish line will be replaced by more caution and pragmatism. Roy ball. And it has to be as i suspect we will once again be the lowest net spenders. However the fans will whine to the rafters wondering why we aren't dominant like we are now and screaming for a new manager. But we will still be safe with games to spare if we run the course.
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Dixie Eagle Chatham 30 Apr 23 7.25pm | |
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I think Roy should go at the end of the season on a high and with a warm pat on the back. If we stays on, he will inevitably go back to some brain numbing, boring football he gave us during his last 2-3 seasons.
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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 30 Apr 23 8.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Dixie Eagle
I think Roy should go at the end of the season on a high and with a warm pat on the back. If we stays on, he will inevitably go back to some brain numbing, boring football he gave us during his last 2-3 seasons. What grounds do you have for thinking that Dixie? I was not enthralled by some of the games we watched last time round either, but I'm prepared to believe Roy can utilise the quality players he now has available in a much more attractive and attacking style, much as we have witnessed of late. Clearly we're not looking at a long term arrangement, but if I were Parish, I'd give the idea very serious consideration. Of course there is one issue which needs to be addressed, which is; does Roy want to do it? As far as I'm aware he has so far sidestepped the question.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Apr 23 8.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
What grounds do you have for thinking that Dixie? I was not enthralled by some of the games we watched last time round either, but I'm prepared to believe Roy can utilise the quality players he now has available in a much more attractive and attacking style, much as we have witnessed of late. Clearly we're not looking at a long term arrangement, but if I were Parish, I'd give the idea very serious consideration. Of course there is one issue which needs to be addressed, which is; does Roy want to do it? As far as I'm aware he has so far sidestepped the question. Towards the end of his last season, Mr Hodgson, to my ageing eyes, looked somewhat fatigued.Football management is a 24/7 commitment and can of course be draining. He returned this season looking refreshed and relaxed after a period away from the rigours of management and perhaps at the age of 76 is only prepared to consider a short-term assignment.
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MrRobbo Chaldon 30 Apr 23 10.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
Yes of course, why not? I see no reason why Mr Hodgson needs to go anywhere, we should highlight the obvious mistakes that are constantly being made with managers being brought in. Because this is a premier league job, and by proxy one of the biggest jobs in the sport. I'm not saying no, never to Paddy. But 100% no after a brief stint looking after the U21's. He needs to go off and cut his teeth. Demonstrate that he's good enough for a top job.
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Eaglecoops CR3 30 Apr 23 10.20pm | |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
Because this is a premier league job, and by proxy one of the biggest jobs in the sport. I'm not saying no, never to Paddy. But 100% no after a brief stint looking after the U21's. He needs to go off and cut his teeth. Demonstrate that he's good enough for a top job. I don’t think anyone can argue against this line of thinking. No way is he ready for the rigours of the PL.
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southnorwoodhill 01 May 23 5.30am | |
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Originally posted by VinceHilaire
The other issue is that whoever does come in, their performance will be compared to Roy and his team….which actually could add pressure to the management position. In all honesty, taking over from someone who has recently led the club to playing attractive, successful football could be quite daunting. So perhaps there is a lot of sense by adding a further year of stability to the club by not changing too much?!?! As well as kicking the can down the road for another year this would surely achieve the very thing you are discussing? At what point would a new managerial appointment become viable?
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